[Magdalen] immigration / migrant situation --->Re: Professional panhandlers; was Loaned out.

[Lynn Ronkainen]

From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> There was no Al Qaeda or ISIS/Daesh in Iraq before we stuck our meddling
> hands in there and toppled Saddam.

AlQ grew up because of the way we abandoned our 'inside people' during 
desert storm who were in turn tortured and hunted down by Sadam's regime.
Not going to Bagdad might not have been the worst thing that did not get 
done when Desert storm ended.
Lynn

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 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
by Richard Rohr

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From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:32 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] immigration / migrant situation --->Re: Professional 
panhandlers; was Loaned out.

> There was no Al Qaeda or ISIS/Daesh in Iraq before we stuck our meddling
> hands in there and toppled Saddam. Yes, he was an evil guy, but he had the
> place stable and kept those elements down. Bush and Cheney are pretty much
> responsible for them being there.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:35 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure that a lot of these guys have the technical expertise to be
>> proper dictators, but you certainly have good point, whether we call them
>> dictators or thugs.  As bad as they may be, chances are destabilizing 
>> will
>> make things even worse, to say nothing of creating one more recruiting
>> opportunity for the professional chaos-makers.
>>
>> I used to think that doing nothing was the ticket, but that really won't
>> work anymore, since they are all too willing to come for us now, whether 
>> it
>> be Europe, Asia, Micronesia, or America.  Doing nothing, keeping our 
>> heads
>> down, hoping they just don't notice, no longer is a viable strategy.
>> Something else needs to be done, and one of these days perhaps we'll 
>> figure
>> it out.
>>
>> Perhaps the winning strategy might be to let them win.  After the next 
>> time
>> they stage another successful attack similar to nine eleven, we could 
>> make
>> something of a show of saying how they obviously are too strong and to
>> smart for us, and then that may buy us a few years of peace, until they
>> realize they've been had.
>>
>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: James Oppenheimer-Crawford
>> >
>> > immigrants to Europe turns out.  I predict it will result in an 
>> > elevation
>> >> of terrorist actions.  Not that one need be from a destabilized 
>> >> country
>> to
>> >> turn bad.  It's happening right her, and it's nothing new.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Most are Christians as I understand it. My guess is that they would not
>> be
>> > prone to terrorism.
>> >
>> > It seems to me that the only way we can eliminate terrorism is to find 
>> > a
>> >> way for some kind of real economic stability and prosperity to come to
>> the
>> >> thug-doms from which these folks come. Even all our one per cent don't
>> >> have
>> >>
>> >
>> > There's much to be said for keeping dictatorships in place as in Iran,
>> > Saudi Arabia and the UAE. We've seen the results in places like Libya,
>> Iraq
>> > and Egypt.
>> >
>> > It should be noted that Iran, Saudi Arabia and the UAE offer economic
>> > stability and prosperity, even if it doesn’t filter down to the 
>> > populace
>> > like, say, in the U.S. back in the 1950s (though we've seemed to adopt
>> the
>> > model offered by the Middle East Countries I've mentioned).
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jim Guthrie
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jim
>> >
>>