[Magdalen] Homing Pigeons.

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

It may well have simply been different translators too. They talked to each
other and had enormous respect for one another (which was one goal of the
entire production: to find some project to get the Anglicans and the
nonconformists to work together on), but heck, they could not cover it all.


One of the consequences of the inferior manuscripts the scholars used is
obvious in the two versions of this prayer given in Matthew and Luke. You
can speculate that Mark has something related to the Lord's prayer, but
there's no way at this time to tell for certain.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa3 at ckt.net> wrote:

> On 12/29/16 5:36 PM, Kate Conant wrote:
>
>> The Presbyterians would head you off at the pass with "debts" and
>> "debtors".
>>
>> My father always said we Presbyterians were more in debt than those
>> trespassers.
>>
>> Even now, I often says debts and debtors when we say the Lord's Prayer in
>> English (though the Orthodox generally use the "other" translation).  Of
>> course, when we say it in Greek we're all on the same page.
>>
>>
> I don't know about the Greek, but in the KJV it's literally different
> pages, different books.
>
> Mark 11:
> 25  And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that
> your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26
> But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven
> forgive your trespasses.
>
> Matthew 6:
>  9  After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
> Hallowed be thy name. 10  Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as
> it is in heaven. 11  Give us this day our daily bread. 12  And forgive us
> our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13  And lead us not into temptation,
> but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the
> glory, for ever. Amen. 14  For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your
> heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15  But if ye forgive not men their
> trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
>
> It just about has to be different words, not different translations of the
> same word.
>
>
> --
> Sibyl Smirl
> I will take no bull from your house!  Psalms 50:9a
> mailto:polycarpa3 at ckt.net
>