[Magdalen] Brexit 2nd vote?
Molly Wolf
lupa at kos.net
Sun Jun 26 15:44:22 UTC 2016
I am not British, but I do live under a parliamentary system. The government makes Brexit a vote of confidence, which it would lose, and calls an election. The referendum itself still has no legal standing, but its results then can be reflected by which party wins. It would also allow for a public shredding of the pro-Brexit lies. It could be quite a lively business. I doubt Boris Johnson would come out of it well.
Molly
The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain
> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:35 AM, Michael Bishop <rev at michaelbishop.name> wrote:
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> If my understanding is right, then the position is that if a Government cannot get parliamentary approval for something which they consider an essential matter, then they can seek to have a general election. In this, the matter in question would be a major subject in the election campaign. If the government won the election, then they would have the power to claim it was a manifesto matter and demand parliamentary approval. Had the UK Parliament been asked to make the decision about membership of the EU without a referendum, then I believe that we would have been remaining - but David Cameron chose to have the referendum partly to satisfy rebels in the conservative party.
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> If I remember correctly, back in the early 1970's Edward Heath wanted to introduce laws curbing some of the powers of Trade Unions. He went for a General Election and lost - so the incoming Labour government ensured his proposals were not allowed to proceed.
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> Referendums are very rare in the UK: I believe I am right in saying that we have had only three national ones:- the first re membership of the European Common Market in 1975 (approval given); the second re amending the election rules to allow a form of proportional representation (rejected); the third - the one held last week.
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> God bless
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> Michael Bishop
> rev at michaelbishop.name
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> Rector of Boylestone, Church Broughton, Dalbury, Longford, Long Lane, Sutton-on-the-Hill & Trusley
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> Diocese of Derby, England
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>> On 26/06/2016 14:10, Cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
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>> In a message dated 6/26/2016 7:25:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> cervus51 at gmail.com writes:
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>> So a general
>> election COULD be called to elect a government for that purpose.
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>> This reminds me that a direct vote of such significance on a national
>> and international subject generally doesn't happen in the USA.
>> These matters are, instead, handled via US Congress and the President,
>> for better or for worse. So there is a sort of filter through which
>> propositions must pass. I can't remember any such national
>> referenda ever appearing on a ballot.
>> Referendums are common at the local and the state level, OTOH.
>> The outcome of the Brexit vote would have been different had the
>> UK Parliament been voting on this matter, according to the articles
>> I've read since the vote.
>> David Strang.
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