[Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque

[Lynn Ronkainen]

Scott>why we wouldn't > "just come home" to the "Catholic Church").


...come home eh?

I discovered over the weekend that the now three years on rector at the 
church I've been at for 8 years, is a bit 'higher church' ahem, than I'd 
realized. We do have quasi mandatory semiannual 'training sessions' for 
lectors and LEM (lay Eucharistic ministers), but I  usually miss them due to 
time of year and biz travel. It's been a while and so I dutifully went went 
on Saturday.  I loved hearing his exegesis of the italic words in the BCP 
which direct both priest and parish (you may sit or stand, for instance, I'm 
quite familiar with these from many years ago, and how they 'work').... on 
Saturday we heard that there were two kinds.... one mandates, the other 
offers a choice, BUT... invoking 'theology', he told us that the priest 
mandates our choice on the choice ones.... then he began to support the 
various times these directives occur and what his expectations are for us 
(not just us those up in the sanctuary, but us, his parishioners) and 'why', 
theologically of course he wants it done a certain way, theologically is it 
mandated to be done a certain way..... *Then* he spoke about other 
denominations and how they were a bit loosey goosey, including the tradition 
he had grown up in  - he was a Methodist.... (gave a few examples of 
sacrilege (my word) in the churches of his youth).  I continued to smile 
inside. Had no idea. I have come to understand that most of the under 50 
Episcopal priests I've met and/or worked with who have come out of the 
Methodist tradition tend toward high church in TEC and love obscure 
rules.... I’m still smiling over his theological underpinning for what he 
expects - a very personal one, IMO. Needless to say there were many there 
who were thrilled with this detailed and special information.  Sigh.

Lynn


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From: "Scott Knitter" <scottknitter at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 11:49 AM
To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque

> I love Greek church festivals in the summer, including the food and
> the church tour, but I keep quiet on the tour and when visiting any
> book-sale booth at such festivals. I once said I was visiting from an
> Episcopal parish, thinking they'd like the liturgical-church
> connection, but it simply gave the priest there a cue to start working
> on me about why I don't just go all the way and become Orthodox
> (similar to traditional Roman Catholics who wonder >
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 5:45 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I worked with four students from Holy Cross (the school of theology
>> attached to Hellenic College in Brookline) and I can promise you that 
>> they
>> aren't. One of them, a guy who'd been brought from Greece, wouldn't even
>> speak to women who spoke to him first. Talk about boundaries!
>>
>> Their hospital skills included close interviews with patients to make
>> absolutely certain they'd been chrismated (where, when & who, please)
>> before further discussion occurred.
>>
>> Their idea of a lunch break was to open the BCP and mock the translation 
>> of
>> Eucharistic Prayer D.
>> -M
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have told the story elsewhere of being at the ordination of a  former
>>> Episcopal priest into the priesthood of one of the local 4 Russian
>>> jurisdictions (the OCA).  TEC was the object of really  embarrassing
>>> criticism that even upset the ordinand.  Ecumenism between the  OCA
>>> and TEC are many light years away.  Maybe the Greeks are closer.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Scott R. Knitter
> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA