[Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque

[Lynn Ronkainen]

... I learned to be  'stander' at my former parish due to that rector's 
exegesis and Christianity-history lessons (but we could do either)... I 
remained a stander when I first attended where I am now, but very few stood, 
and most because they were unable to kneel. I buckled (guffaw) and began 
kneeling.  A year later the rector (former) announced that he encouraged us 
to stand until the Lord's prayer (coincidentally my former habit from 
previous church). Two weeks later, at announcement time, he explained his 
reasoning for 'asking' us to do that and also said that a number of people 
had contacted him and said they would leave (LEAVE??) if the policy 
suggesting standing, stood. He reiterated that it was still our choice and 
that he would not officially mandate standing but encouraged it... I'm not 
sure if anyone has even told the new dean that this incident happened.

As always knowing some/any history of a place has be an interesting 
fly-on-the-wall experience I find anew, over and over (especially church).
L

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From: "ME Michaud" <michaudme at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:25 PM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Philiowhy? - Re: Philiioque

> Oh dear.
>
> I go to a kneeling church (although, to tell the truth, most of us sit).
> I'm not able to kneel, so I stand. I'm not the only one who stands, and I
> try to sit over on the side and out of the sight lines.
>
> Heard through the grapevine that some of the older folks complained about
> us standers. "Send them to me," I told the rector, who paled a bit (we've
> known each other for a long time). I was all excited, thinking RUBRICS, 
> but
> he handled it without my help :-D
> -M
>
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> hearing his exegesis of the italic words in the BCP which direct both
>> priest and parish (you may sit or stand, for instance, I'm quite familiar
>> with these from many years ago, and how they 'work').... on Saturday we
>> heard that there were two kinds.... one mandates, the other offers a
>> choice, BUT... invoking 'theology', he told us that the priest mandates 
>> our
>> choice on the choice ones.... then he began to support the various times
>> these directives occur and what his expectations are for us (not just us
>> those up in the sanctuary, but us, his parishioners) and 'why',
>> theologically of course he wants it done a certain way, theologically is 
>> it
>> mandated to be done a certain way
>>