[Magdalen] Small prayer requested

Wed Feb 8 13:47:44 UTC 2017

Grace, I have not read through the others' comments, so this may already
have been said.  Episcopalians take a vow and renew that vow whenever there
is a baptism.  This vow is indelible upon and within our hearts.  The two
that come to mind in your situation today are copied below.  You preach
from who you are, who God has made you to be and from your vow, first as
the baptised and also as a priest.

+Will you seek and serve Christ in all persons, loving your neighbor as
yourself?

+Will you strive for justice and peace among all people, and respect the
dignity of every human being?

+The People respond: I will, with God's help.

Thank you for being you.  You are in my prayers today and always.  May God
assist your conversation today.
Ginga Wilder

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:14 AM, <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have been over this terrain so many times in South Africa, Grace -
> especially in the apartheid era but still today. Speaking truth to power
> never gets any easier...
>
> For the Biblically inclined it's helpful to remember that Romans 13 is
> counterbalanced by Revelation 13.
>
> A cross shaped sermon is not defined by how 'poitical' it may appear to be,
> but by how close to the love of Christ it is - including the love that
> looked like nails holding him to the Cross.
>
> May God bless and and angels protect you, and may your words from pulpit
> and elsewhere be pleasing to the Lord even if not to those who don't want
> to be challenged by a radical love. I guess you're not called Grace for
> nothing!!
>
> Sally D
>
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 at 6:43 AM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Chad! I don't feel it's my job to get them to see another point
> of
> > view. It's just like preaching: my responsibility is to preach the Gospel
> > as clearly as I can and then to leave the rest to God. I can't control
> the
> > response.
> > I participated in a March here, but not in collar, and I didn't mention
> it
> > on either Sunday.
> >
> > As for what these folks want in a priest--the Senior Warden told me a
> > couple of weeks age that they want someone to come and do Sunday services
> > and visit shut-ins and folks in the hospital. Oh, and do funerals.
> Clearly,
> > what they want is a part-time chaplain!  They're having a hard time
> finding
> > someone.
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2017, at 11:32 PM, "Charles Wohlers" <
> > charles.wohlers at verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Prayers for you, certainly.
> > >
> > > I've heard that some parishioners ("8 o'clockers") at a parish we
> attend
> > were upset that the rector attended the local Women's March in collar.
> > That, to them, is being political. My sense was that no collar would have
> > been OK. (BTW, the bishop was there also, but that apparently was not a
> > concern).
> > >
> > > There are a good number of Episcopalians who think that the reason for
> > their Christian faith is primarily to get them into heaven - that it's
> just
> > between God and them, and the Church and their faith should be totally
> > divorced from the "secular world". I suspect your unhappy parishioners
> may
> > fall into that category. I suspect it won't be easy to get them to
> > understand a different point of view.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Chad Wohlers
> > > Woodbury, VT USA
> > > chadwohl at satucket.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Grace Cangialosi
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:32 PM
> > > To: Magdalen ; Cantor03 at aol.com
> > > Subject: [Magdalen] Small prayer requested
> > >
> > > Tomorrow morning I've been asked to meet with the Senior Warden and one
> > or two parishioners of the church where another priest are doing
> long-term
> > supply--we're alternating months.
> > > It seems that a couple of parishioners didn't like my last two sermons
> > on the last two Sundays in January. One woman, on her way out the door on
> > one Sunday, said the pulpit wasn't the place to express my political
> views.
> > I replied that I hadn't, but she disagreed. Then a man came out and
> berated
> > me for not speaking up for the unborn! I had no idea where that came
> from.
> > > OTOH, several people thanked me for the sermon, and one woman came into
> > the office to tell me she really appreciated it.
> > > So there were mixed opinions, which was not a bad thing, IMO. (Of
> > course, my favorite response is for someone to say, "You really gave me
> > something to think about.")
> > > I'm always careful not to talk politics, or parties, nor to tell people
> > how they should think or vote. But I believe it is part of our call as
> > Christians to speak out when we see injustice or bullying, or blatant
> > discrimination, etc. regardless of its source. That was the essence of
> both
> > sermons--one the weekend of the inauguration and the Women's Marches (
> > which I never mentioned--and one the weekend of the travel ban.
> > > I've been preaching for 27 years--with lots of emphasis on social
> > justice and always connecting to the lectionary readings--and this is the
> > first time I've been called into a meeting because of a sermon. So I
> guess
> > I should be grateful for that! I did get a death threat once because of
> my
> > involvement in racial reconciliation in the community, but that came from
> > outside the congregation, and I didn't really take it very seriously.
> > > The thing is, even though I supply at this church a lot and was with
> > them for five months about 11 years ago when they were between rectors, I
> > am still just a supply priest with no standing. I told the Senior Warden
> > when he called me on Monday that if people were unhappy with my
> preaching,
> > they certainly didn't have to have me back. He got flustered and said he
> > certainly didn't want it to come to that. I said I knew that--I just
> wanted
> > to remind him that they did have that option. I'm not actually there this
> > month--I go back in March.
> > >
> > > Much more detail than I meant to give, but I guess I'm trying to lay
> > everything out in preparation for tomorrow. I plan to begin the meeting
> > with prayer and then ask what they were upset about and what they mean by
> > "political."  At some point I will acknowledge whatever they've told me,
> > and then I'll say I have a dilemma, because I've also gotten just the
> > opposite feedback. So Which do I listen to? My task is to preach the
> Gospel
> > in whatever way I'm being called to do it, knowing that some will
> probably
> > respond positively and some negatively, and the majority will not share
> > their opinion at all.
> >
>