[Magdalen] Song of Mary

Grace Cangialosi gracecan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 16:26:45 UTC 2017


Well, I do a lot of supply and have a few churches that are "regulars," and I really have to keep on my toes for the early services. Some start at 8:00 and some at 8:30, so if I've neglected to write down the time, I go in time for 8:00.  Even more than that, however, I have to remember if it's Rite I or Rite II, because sometimes they use the same bulletin for both, with just a notation at the top about what the early service will be. And, of course, there's no music. I'm always surprised if it's Rite II, because most "8-O-clockers" want Rite I.
Recently I went to one of my regular churches and started the service. When we came to the "Gloria," I noticed that no one was saying anything. I injected "saying together, " but still nothing happened. I suddenly realized that I had started in Rite II by mistake and glanced over at the lector, who gently shook her head.
So as soon as the Gloria was over, I apologized and told them what had happened, and we all went on in the right place! Fortunately, as I have discovered, folks are usually willing to cut supply clergy some slack!

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 5:31 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that is the practice known as the early service and the late
> service.  We used to do that back in the day when we were mostly morning
> prayer people.  Having identical services makes sense. I would bet that the
> actual liturgy at each service was different, however.  Also, the early
> service usually has less people, and it also has less or no music, because
> a volunteer choir usually is not asked to sing for back-to-back services,
> although I've known it to happen. The early service tends to go a lot
> faster, but the lessons and hymns (if any) are the same, of course. Today,
> we have the "schizoid" prayer book, so we can have the "primitive" language
> service as the early service, a modern language service as the later one,
> so the actual liturgy will be different, but that's very new deal
> altogether. Back in the day, service bulletins were typed by hand, and so
> it really made sense to have one pattern for both services, so the bulletin
> could serve for either of them. But then, back in the day, there really was
> no reason for the services to be different anyway. I would not be surprised
> if they automatically omitted a lesson from the bulletin for the early
> service, perfectly acceptable, and just glossed over some features.  They
> knew they weren't getting any visitors for the early service, so all those
> in attendance knew the drill....
> 
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:58 AM, Roger Stokes <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
>> wrote:
> 
>>> On 22/01/2017 14:40, Scott Knitter wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then there's the weird (to me) practice in some parishes back then
>>> whereby they'd have two identical Morning Prayer services on a Sunday.
>>> Here's an old bulletin:
>>> 
>>> https://philadelphiastudies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/1608
>>> 04-125450-page-006.jpg
>>> 
>>> This happened from time to time at the Cathedral Church of St. Paul in
>>> Detroit under a previous dean.
>> 
>> I have known of churches (though not Anglican ones) which have doubled up
>> on services because of the number wishing to attend and/or because a
>> significant number find one time more convenient than the other.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 


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