[Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?

[Grace Cangialosi]

I had occasion many years ago to concelebrate two Eucharists with Morton Kelsey at a Church of the Savior event. They use grape juice, and Kelsey had asked to use non-alcoholic woe, which they permitted. He said he always uses that, because he doesn't want to put any barriers up for folks with substance abuse issues. But he said some have told him that even that causes difficulty, because it tastes like regular wine.
But I was interested in his thinking about it.
I've had folks touch the chalice or even kiss it, and I always stop in front of them and say the words of administration, whether they do that or not. They're still receiving the grace of the sacrament, and it doesn't single them out.

> On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu> wrote:
> 
> Coming to this discussion late, but our Bishop says no grape juice.  If
> people choose not to partake of wine, then they may receive in one kind, as
> has always been done.  I honestly don't see a problem with this.
> 
> Ann
> 
> The Rev. Ann Markle
> Buffalo, NY
> ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
> 
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Charles Wohlers <chadwohl at satucket.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I was LEM today at Christ Church, Montpelier, and I, along with the rest
>> of the altar party, all received grape juice. They've long had grape juice
>> for those who desire it, although the vast majority choose wine. The parish
>> I attend in MA (All Saints, Whitman) has also recently instituted grape
>> juice for those who wish it.
>> 
>> The difficulty with grape juice, of course, is that one can't have a
>> common cup as there's no alcohol to kill all the germs. So churches must
>> use those little cups or require everyone to intinct. The Methodist church
>> I've attended in MA does pita bread, grape juice, and intinction.
>> 
>> Chad Wohlers
>> Woodbury, VT USA
>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
>> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:18 PM
>> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?
>> 
>> 
>> The Lutheran church I attend has both wine and grape juice available, as
>> does another church I occasionally attend. (I have heard of  but never
>> experienced Episcopal churches that do this.) I notice that many young
>> children in both churches opt for, or are directed to, the grape juice.
>> Some adults also choose it, for their own reasons. If the Methodists could
>> be persuaded to offer both, perhaps the problem could be solved in that
>> manner.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 7/9/2017 1:42:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us writes:
>>> 
>>> See  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/broken_gift.html
>>> and  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/civility.html which
>>> was  written in  response.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for these messages.
>>> 
>>> I am a little amused at the apparent problem of grape juice vs. grape
>>> wine.  I once had the duty of setting up for the quarterly communion
>>> service
>>> at my hometown Methodist church, and I must confess that I spiked
>>> the grape juice that was used in these liturgies.
>>> 
>>> I didn't put enough wine into the mix to cause suspicion.  Maybe
>>> they could just do the same to solve the problem :-).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David S.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>