[Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?

[Christopher Hart]

When I worked for the Methodists many years ago (as Manager of a couple
of Cokesbury Bookstores​) I got involved with the Order of St. Luke (
http://saint-luke.net/) which was founded to encourage a more sacramental
and liturgical approach within the Methodist tradition. I see that they now
describe themselves as an ecumenical group so maybe I was one of their
pioneering ecumenical members. I didn't continue my involvement very long
after I ceased my professional relationship with the denomination. BTW,
this group should not be, but sometimes is, confused with the Order of St.
Luke the Physician (https://orderofstluke.org/en/) which is a healing
ministry.

Since I gave up drinking alcohol I still take a tiny sip of the communion
wine. That doesn't feel to me like drinking and it doesn't bother me. My
long sober wife, however, receives in one kind. If I were assisting at the
altar and unfinished wine in a chalice needed to be consumed I would not
want to do that anymore though.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I had occasion many years ago to concelebrate two Eucharists with Morton
> Kelsey at a Church of the Savior event. They use grape juice, and Kelsey
> had asked to use non-alcoholic woe, which they permitted. He said he always
> uses that, because he doesn't want to put any barriers up for folks with
> substance abuse issues. But he said some have told him that even that
> causes difficulty, because it tastes like regular wine.
> But I was interested in his thinking about it.
> I've had folks touch the chalice or even kiss it, and I always stop in
> front of them and say the words of administration, whether they do that or
> not. They're still receiving the grace of the sacrament, and it doesn't
> single them out.
>
> > On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Coming to this discussion late, but our Bishop says no grape juice.  If
> > people choose not to partake of wine, then they may receive in one kind,
> as
> > has always been done.  I honestly don't see a problem with this.
> >
> > Ann
> >
> > The Rev. Ann Markle
> > Buffalo, NY
> > ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Charles Wohlers <chadwohl at satucket.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was LEM today at Christ Church, Montpelier, and I, along with the rest
> >> of the altar party, all received grape juice. They've long had grape
> juice
> >> for those who desire it, although the vast majority choose wine. The
> parish
> >> I attend in MA (All Saints, Whitman) has also recently instituted grape
> >> juice for those who wish it.
> >>
> >> The difficulty with grape juice, of course, is that one can't have a
> >> common cup as there's no alcohol to kill all the germs. So churches must
> >> use those little cups or require everyone to intinct. The Methodist
> church
> >> I've attended in MA does pita bread, grape juice, and intinction.
> >>
> >> Chad Wohlers
> >> Woodbury, VT USA
> >> chadwohl at satucket.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:18 PM
> >> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?
> >>
> >>
> >> The Lutheran church I attend has both wine and grape juice available, as
> >> does another church I occasionally attend. (I have heard of  but never
> >> experienced Episcopal churches that do this.) I notice that many young
> >> children in both churches opt for, or are directed to, the grape juice.
> >> Some adults also choose it, for their own reasons. If the Methodists
> could
> >> be persuaded to offer both, perhaps the problem could be solved in that
> >> manner.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> >> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 7/9/2017 1:42:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us writes:
> >>>
> >>> See  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/broken_gift.html
> >>> and  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/civility.html
> which
> >>> was  written in  response.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for these messages.
> >>>
> >>> I am a little amused at the apparent problem of grape juice vs. grape
> >>> wine.  I once had the duty of setting up for the quarterly communion
> >>> service
> >>> at my hometown Methodist church, and I must confess that I spiked
> >>> the grape juice that was used in these liturgies.
> >>>
> >>> I didn't put enough wine into the mix to cause suspicion.  Maybe
> >>> they could just do the same to solve the problem :-).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David S.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>



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Christopher Hart

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