[Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?

[Grace Cangialosi]

Unless there is only about one swallow left, I have never consumed the
leftover wine. I leave that to others or to the altar guild's pouring it on
the ground or down the piscina (sp?) if there is one. I was horrified at
one church where I supplied to discover that they were pouring it back into
the bottle. The leftover wine in the chalice, I mean--not the cruet.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I worked for the Methodists many years ago (as Manager of a couple
> of Cokesbury Bookstores​) I got involved with the Order of St. Luke (
> http://saint-luke.net/) which was founded to encourage a more sacramental
> and liturgical approach within the Methodist tradition. I see that they now
> describe themselves as an ecumenical group so maybe I was one of their
> pioneering ecumenical members. I didn't continue my involvement very long
> after I ceased my professional relationship with the denomination. BTW,
> this group should not be, but sometimes is, confused with the Order of St.
> Luke the Physician (https://orderofstluke.org/en/) which is a healing
> ministry.
>
> Since I gave up drinking alcohol I still take a tiny sip of the communion
> wine. That doesn't feel to me like drinking and it doesn't bother me. My
> long sober wife, however, receives in one kind. If I were assisting at the
> altar and unfinished wine in a chalice needed to be consumed I would not
> want to do that anymore though.
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I had occasion many years ago to concelebrate two Eucharists with Morton
> > Kelsey at a Church of the Savior event. They use grape juice, and Kelsey
> > had asked to use non-alcoholic woe, which they permitted. He said he
> always
> > uses that, because he doesn't want to put any barriers up for folks with
> > substance abuse issues. But he said some have told him that even that
> > causes difficulty, because it tastes like regular wine.
> > But I was interested in his thinking about it.
> > I've had folks touch the chalice or even kiss it, and I always stop in
> > front of them and say the words of administration, whether they do that
> or
> > not. They're still receiving the grace of the sacrament, and it doesn't
> > single them out.
> >
> > > On Jul 12, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Coming to this discussion late, but our Bishop says no grape juice.  If
> > > people choose not to partake of wine, then they may receive in one
> kind,
> > as
> > > has always been done.  I honestly don't see a problem with this.
> > >
> > > Ann
> > >
> > > The Rev. Ann Markle
> > > Buffalo, NY
> > > ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Charles Wohlers <chadwohl at satucket.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I was LEM today at Christ Church, Montpelier, and I, along with the
> rest
> > >> of the altar party, all received grape juice. They've long had grape
> > juice
> > >> for those who desire it, although the vast majority choose wine. The
> > parish
> > >> I attend in MA (All Saints, Whitman) has also recently instituted
> grape
> > >> juice for those who wish it.
> > >>
> > >> The difficulty with grape juice, of course, is that one can't have a
> > >> common cup as there's no alcohol to kill all the germs. So churches
> must
> > >> use those little cups or require everyone to intinct. The Methodist
> > church
> > >> I've attended in MA does pita bread, grape juice, and intinction.
> > >>
> > >> Chad Wohlers
> > >> Woodbury, VT USA
> > >> chadwohl at satucket.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:18 PM
> > >> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Full Communion with the USA Methodists?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The Lutheran church I attend has both wine and grape juice available,
> as
> > >> does another church I occasionally attend. (I have heard of  but never
> > >> experienced Episcopal churches that do this.) I notice that many young
> > >> children in both churches opt for, or are directed to, the grape
> juice.
> > >> Some adults also choose it, for their own reasons. If the Methodists
> > could
> > >> be persuaded to offer both, perhaps the problem could be solved in
> that
> > >> manner.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> > >> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> In a message dated 7/9/2017 1:42:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >>> reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us writes:
> > >>>
> > >>> See  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/broken_
> gift.html
> > >>> and  http://anglicansonline.org/resources/essays/misc/civility.html
> > which
> > >>> was  written in  response.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for these messages.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am a little amused at the apparent problem of grape juice vs. grape
> > >>> wine.  I once had the duty of setting up for the quarterly communion
> > >>> service
> > >>> at my hometown Methodist church, and I must confess that I spiked
> > >>> the grape juice that was used in these liturgies.
> > >>>
> > >>> I didn't put enough wine into the mix to cause suspicion.  Maybe
> > >>> they could just do the same to solve the problem :-).
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> David S.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Christopher Hart
>
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-- 
Grace Cangialosi
Ruckersville, VA

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