[Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat.... ???

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

Herbert is quite a remarkable poet. A member of a choir I was in used to
enjoy setting Herbert. Produced some very good work.

Relating to a different thread here, I wonder if Herbert's poetry would be
improved by "OP". Not sure when he was, and whether anyone could even
approximate such "OP" for his verse. I find the sound of the "OP"
fascinating.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm glad you like it.  I love Herbert's poetry.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Oh my!! I've never seen this, Susan.  Wonderful!  I'm going to make a
> copy
> > of it and then read, mark, learn and inwardly digest(!), as they say.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think George says it best.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> THE HOLY COMMUNION
> >> George Herbert
> >>
> >> O GRATious Lord, how shall I know
> >> Whether in these gifts thou bee so
> >>
> >> As thou art everywhere ?
> >> Or rather so as thou alone
> >> Tak'st all the Lodging, leaving none
> >>
> >> For thy poore creature there.
> >>
> >> First I am sure, whether Bread stay,
> >> Or whether Bread doe fly away,
> >>
> >> Concerneth Bread, not mee;
> >> But that both thou and all thy traine
> >>
> >> Bee there, to thy truth and my gaine,
> >>
> >> Concerneth mee and Thee.
> >>
> >> And if in comming to thy foes
> >>
> >> Thou dost come first to them, that showes
> >>
> >> The hast of thy good will.
> >>
> >> Or if that thou two stations makest.
> >> In Bread and mee, the way thou takest
> >>
> >> Is more, but for mee still.
> >>
> >> Then of this also I am sure.
> >>
> >> That thou didst all those pains endure
> >>
> >> To abolsh Sinn, not Wheat.
> >> Creatures are good and have their place.
> >> Sinn onely, which did all deface.
> >>
> >> Thou drivest from his seat.
> >>
> >> I could beleeve an Impanation
> >>
> >> At the rate of an Incarnation,
> >>
> >> If thou hadst dyde for Bread.
> >> But that which made my soule to dye.
> >> My flesh and fleshly villany,
> >>
> >> That allso made thee dead.
> >>
> >> That Flesh is there mine eyes deny.
> >> And what should flesh but flesh discry,
> >>
> >> The noblest sence of five
> >> If glorious bodies pass the sight,
> >>
> >> Shall they be food and strength and might.
> >>
> >> Even there where they deceive .'
> >>
> >> Into my soule this cannot pass.
> >>
> >> Flesh (though exalted) keeps his grass.
> >>
> >> And cannot turn to soule.
> >> Bodyes and Minds are different spheres,
> >> Nor can they change their bounds and meres.
> >>
> >> But keep a constant pole.
> >>
> >> This gift of all gifts is the best.
> >> Thy flesh the least that I request.
> >>
> >> Thou took'st that pledge from mee.
> >> Give mee not that I had before.
> >> Or give mee that so I have more.
> >>
> >> My God, give mee all Thee.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > This discussion reminds me of an experience my first Episcopal rector
> >> > related: he's a strong believer that baptized children should not
> >> remember
> >> > a time when they were not allowed to receive Holy Communion. So after
> >> > starting work at his first parish, he wanted to make sure his young
> son
> >> was
> >> > able to receive the Sacrament in both kinds (apparently where they
> were
> >> > before gave children just the host and not the chalice, or maybe
> required
> >> > confirmation first, or something). His son took his first sip of the
> >> > Precious Blood and then exclaimed, "BLECCH! Tastes like WHISKEY!"
> >> >
> >> > Whereupon I'm sure everyone wondered how he knew!
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Charles Wohlers <
> chadwohl at satucket.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Which begs the question  - how did you know what tissue paper tasted
> >> like?
> >> >>
> >> >> Inquiring minds and all that ...
> >> >>
> >> >> Chad Wohlers
> >> >> Woodbury, VT USA
> >> >> chadwohl at satucket.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:03 AM
> >> >> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
> >> >>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
> ???
> >> >>
> >> >> When I made my first communion, I thought the bread tasted remarkably
> >> like
> >> >> tissue paper.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Lesley de Voil <
> lesleymdv at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Enquiring minds want to know, how did you find out what fish food
> tastes
> >> >>> like?
> >> >>> Regards
> >> >>> Lesley de Voil
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
> >> >>> Sent: ‎12/‎07/‎2017 7:28
> >> >>> To: "magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
> ???
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You know, I've always wondered about that. I guess if the Last
> Supper
> >> was
> >> >>> a Passover meal, the bread would have been unleavened, but if it was
> >> just
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> regular meal, might the bread have been leavened.
> >> >>> One thing I'm sure of: it wasn't little white wafers that have a
> design
> >> >>> stamped on them and taste like fish food!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, James Handsfield <
> jhandsfield at att.net>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I thought communion bread was supposed to be unleavened.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > -------------------------------------
> >> >>> > Education is its own reward, both for the individual and for
> society.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Jim Handsfield
> >> >>> > jhandsfield at att.net
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> On Jul 11, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> .
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Scott R. Knitter
> >> > Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
> >> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
> >> land of Egypt.
> >> Leviticus 19:34
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Grace Cangialosi
> > Ruckersville, VA
> >
> > *"Not all of us can do great things, but we can do small things with
> great
> > love."*
> > *St. Teresa of Calcutta*
>
>
>
> --
> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
> land of Egypt.
> Leviticus 19:34
>