[Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat.... ???

Fri Jul 14 17:29:27 UTC 2017

old pronunciation. Or is it original pronunciation. It matters not a jot,
since it is the same thing.

I was relating to another thread about the work in restoring the old or
original pronunciation to Shakespeare's plays. I assumed everyone was also
interested in that thread. My mistake.

The staging of Shakespeare's plays in OP brings out rhymes and puns not
visible in the foreign tongue of modern English, as I'm sure you're aware.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Charles Wohlers <chadwohl at satucket.com>
wrote:

> OP???? Open pollinated maybe?
>
> Chad Wohlers
> Woodbury, VT USA
> chadwohl at satucket.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: James Oppenheimer-Crawford
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:42 PM
> To: Magdalen at herberthouse.org
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat.... ???
>
> Herbert is quite a remarkable poet. A member of a choir I was in used to
> enjoy setting Herbert. Produced some very good work.
>
> Relating to a different thread here, I wonder if Herbert's poetry would be
> improved by "OP". Not sure when he was, and whether anyone could even
> approximate such "OP" for his verse. I find the sound of the "OP"
> fascinating.
>
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm glad you like it.  I love Herbert's poetry.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Oh my!! I've never seen this, Susan.  Wonderful!  I'm going to make a
>> copy
>> > of it and then read, mark, learn and inwardly digest(!), as they say.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think George says it best.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> THE HOLY COMMUNION
>> >> George Herbert
>> >>
>> >> O GRATious Lord, how shall I know
>> >> Whether in these gifts thou bee so
>> >>
>> >> As thou art everywhere ?
>> >> Or rather so as thou alone
>> >> Tak'st all the Lodging, leaving none
>> >>
>> >> For thy poore creature there.
>> >>
>> >> First I am sure, whether Bread stay,
>> >> Or whether Bread doe fly away,
>> >>
>> >> Concerneth Bread, not mee;
>> >> But that both thou and all thy traine
>> >>
>> >> Bee there, to thy truth and my gaine,
>> >>
>> >> Concerneth mee and Thee.
>> >>
>> >> And if in comming to thy foes
>> >>
>> >> Thou dost come first to them, that showes
>> >>
>> >> The hast of thy good will.
>> >>
>> >> Or if that thou two stations makest.
>> >> In Bread and mee, the way thou takest
>> >>
>> >> Is more, but for mee still.
>> >>
>> >> Then of this also I am sure.
>> >>
>> >> That thou didst all those pains endure
>> >>
>> >> To abolsh Sinn, not Wheat.
>> >> Creatures are good and have their place.
>> >> Sinn onely, which did all deface.
>> >>
>> >> Thou drivest from his seat.
>> >>
>> >> I could beleeve an Impanation
>> >>
>> >> At the rate of an Incarnation,
>> >>
>> >> If thou hadst dyde for Bread.
>> >> But that which made my soule to dye.
>> >> My flesh and fleshly villany,
>> >>
>> >> That allso made thee dead.
>> >>
>> >> That Flesh is there mine eyes deny.
>> >> And what should flesh but flesh discry,
>> >>
>> >> The noblest sence of five
>> >> If glorious bodies pass the sight,
>> >>
>> >> Shall they be food and strength and might.
>> >>
>> >> Even there where they deceive .'
>> >>
>> >> Into my soule this cannot pass.
>> >>
>> >> Flesh (though exalted) keeps his grass.
>> >>
>> >> And cannot turn to soule.
>> >> Bodyes and Minds are different spheres,
>> >> Nor can they change their bounds and meres.
>> >>
>> >> But keep a constant pole.
>> >>
>> >> This gift of all gifts is the best.
>> >> Thy flesh the least that I request.
>> >>
>> >> Thou took'st that pledge from mee.
>> >> Give mee not that I had before.
>> >> Or give mee that so I have more.
>> >>
>> >> My God, give mee all Thee.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Scott Knitter <
>> scottknitter at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > This discussion reminds me of an experience my first Episcopal rector
>> >> > related: he's a strong believer that baptized children should not
>> >> remember
>> >> > a time when they were not allowed to receive Holy Communion. So after
>> >> > starting work at his first parish, he wanted to make sure his young
>> son
>> >> was
>> >> > able to receive the Sacrament in both kinds (apparently where they
>> were
>> >> > before gave children just the host and not the chalice, or maybe
>> required
>> >> > confirmation first, or something). His son took his first sip of the
>> >> > Precious Blood and then exclaimed, "BLECCH! Tastes like WHISKEY!"
>> >> >
>> >> > Whereupon I'm sure everyone wondered how he knew!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Charles Wohlers <
>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>> >> >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Which begs the question  - how did you know what tissue paper tasted
>> >> like?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Inquiring minds and all that ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chad Wohlers
>> >> >> Woodbury, VT USA
>> >> >> chadwohl at satucket.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:03 AM
>> >> >> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
>> ???
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When I made my first communion, I thought the bread tasted >> >>
>> remarkably
>> >> like
>> >> >> tissue paper.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Lesley de Voil <
>> lesleymdv at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Enquiring minds want to know, how did you find out what fish food
>> tastes
>> >> >>> like?
>> >> >>> Regards
>> >> >>> Lesley de Voil
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> Sent: ‎12/‎07/‎2017 7:28
>> >> >>> To: "magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
>> ???
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You know, I've always wondered about that. I guess if the Last
>> Supper
>> >> was
>> >> >>> a Passover meal, the bread would have been unleavened, but if it
>> >> >>> was
>> >> just
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> regular meal, might the bread have been leavened.
>> >> >>> One thing I'm sure of: it wasn't little white wafers that have a
>> design
>> >> >>> stamped on them and taste like fish food!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, James Handsfield <
>> jhandsfield at att.net>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I thought communion bread was supposed to be unleavened.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > -------------------------------------
>> >> >>> > Education is its own reward, both for the individual and for
>> society.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Jim Handsfield
>> >> >>> > jhandsfield at att.net
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> On Jul 11, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> .
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Scott R. Knitter
>> >> > Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
>> >> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
>> >> land of Egypt.
>> >> Leviticus 19:34
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Grace Cangialosi
>> > Ruckersville, VA
>> >
>> > *"Not all of us can do great things, but we can do small things with
>> great
>> > love."*
>> > *St. Teresa of Calcutta*
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
>> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
>> land of Egypt.
>> Leviticus 19:34
>>
>>
>