[Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat.... ???

[Grace Cangialosi]

I'm sorry, but what's OP?

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:42 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Herbert is quite a remarkable poet. A member of a choir I was in used to
> enjoy setting Herbert. Produced some very good work.
> 
> Relating to a different thread here, I wonder if Herbert's poetry would be
> improved by "OP". Not sure when he was, and whether anyone could even
> approximate such "OP" for his verse. I find the sound of the "OP"
> fascinating.
> 
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm glad you like it.  I love Herbert's poetry.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Oh my!! I've never seen this, Susan.  Wonderful!  I'm going to make a
>> copy
>>> of it and then read, mark, learn and inwardly digest(!), as they say.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think George says it best.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> THE HOLY COMMUNION
>>>> George Herbert
>>>> 
>>>> O GRATious Lord, how shall I know
>>>> Whether in these gifts thou bee so
>>>> 
>>>> As thou art everywhere ?
>>>> Or rather so as thou alone
>>>> Tak'st all the Lodging, leaving none
>>>> 
>>>> For thy poore creature there.
>>>> 
>>>> First I am sure, whether Bread stay,
>>>> Or whether Bread doe fly away,
>>>> 
>>>> Concerneth Bread, not mee;
>>>> But that both thou and all thy traine
>>>> 
>>>> Bee there, to thy truth and my gaine,
>>>> 
>>>> Concerneth mee and Thee.
>>>> 
>>>> And if in comming to thy foes
>>>> 
>>>> Thou dost come first to them, that showes
>>>> 
>>>> The hast of thy good will.
>>>> 
>>>> Or if that thou two stations makest.
>>>> In Bread and mee, the way thou takest
>>>> 
>>>> Is more, but for mee still.
>>>> 
>>>> Then of this also I am sure.
>>>> 
>>>> That thou didst all those pains endure
>>>> 
>>>> To abolsh Sinn, not Wheat.
>>>> Creatures are good and have their place.
>>>> Sinn onely, which did all deface.
>>>> 
>>>> Thou drivest from his seat.
>>>> 
>>>> I could beleeve an Impanation
>>>> 
>>>> At the rate of an Incarnation,
>>>> 
>>>> If thou hadst dyde for Bread.
>>>> But that which made my soule to dye.
>>>> My flesh and fleshly villany,
>>>> 
>>>> That allso made thee dead.
>>>> 
>>>> That Flesh is there mine eyes deny.
>>>> And what should flesh but flesh discry,
>>>> 
>>>> The noblest sence of five
>>>> If glorious bodies pass the sight,
>>>> 
>>>> Shall they be food and strength and might.
>>>> 
>>>> Even there where they deceive .'
>>>> 
>>>> Into my soule this cannot pass.
>>>> 
>>>> Flesh (though exalted) keeps his grass.
>>>> 
>>>> And cannot turn to soule.
>>>> Bodyes and Minds are different spheres,
>>>> Nor can they change their bounds and meres.
>>>> 
>>>> But keep a constant pole.
>>>> 
>>>> This gift of all gifts is the best.
>>>> Thy flesh the least that I request.
>>>> 
>>>> Thou took'st that pledge from mee.
>>>> Give mee not that I had before.
>>>> Or give mee that so I have more.
>>>> 
>>>> My God, give mee all Thee.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> This discussion reminds me of an experience my first Episcopal rector
>>>>> related: he's a strong believer that baptized children should not
>>>> remember
>>>>> a time when they were not allowed to receive Holy Communion. So after
>>>>> starting work at his first parish, he wanted to make sure his young
>> son
>>>> was
>>>>> able to receive the Sacrament in both kinds (apparently where they
>> were
>>>>> before gave children just the host and not the chalice, or maybe
>> required
>>>>> confirmation first, or something). His son took his first sip of the
>>>>> Precious Blood and then exclaimed, "BLECCH! Tastes like WHISKEY!"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whereupon I'm sure everyone wondered how he knew!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Charles Wohlers <
>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which begs the question  - how did you know what tissue paper tasted
>>>> like?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Inquiring minds and all that ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chad Wohlers
>>>>>> Woodbury, VT USA
>>>>>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jay Weigel
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:03 AM
>>>>>> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
>> ???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I made my first communion, I thought the bread tasted remarkably
>>>> like
>>>>>> tissue paper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Lesley de Voil <
>> lesleymdv at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Enquiring minds want to know, how did you find out what fish food
>> tastes
>>>>>>> like?
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Lesley de Voil
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: ‎12/‎07/‎2017 7:28
>>>>>>> To: "magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Jesus can only reveal hinself in wheat....
>> ???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You know, I've always wondered about that. I guess if the Last
>> Supper
>>>> was
>>>>>>> a Passover meal, the bread would have been unleavened, but if it was
>>>> just
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> regular meal, might the bread have been leavened.
>>>>>>> One thing I'm sure of: it wasn't little white wafers that have a
>> design
>>>>>>> stamped on them and taste like fish food!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, James Handsfield <
>> jhandsfield at att.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought communion bread was supposed to be unleavened.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Education is its own reward, both for the individual and for
>> society.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim Handsfield
>>>>>>>> jhandsfield at att.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
>>>> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
>>>> land of Egypt.
>>>> Leviticus 19:34
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Grace Cangialosi
>>> Ruckersville, VA
>>> 
>>> *"Not all of us can do great things, but we can do small things with
>> great
>>> love."*
>>> *St. Teresa of Calcutta*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
>> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
>> land of Egypt.
>> Leviticus 19:34
>>