[Magdalen] Theological and Liturgical Tidbits - St. John's Abbey.

[Lynn Ronkainen]

I read recently that Francis is pushing back on the recently revised from the “ancient Latin” liturgy and encouraging approved 
local language  interpretations much like John 23’s original Vatican2 intent. 
Lynn 

On Nov 9, 2017, at 7:46 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:

I actually like the MP and EP offices out of the New Zealand PB, as do many clergy I know.
As a matter of fact ( true confession time), I pretty much prefer the NZPB.

> On Nov 9, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Simon Kershaw <simon at kershaw.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Change comes eventually, even in Rome.
> 
> It's a bit like the revision of the daily office in the Church of England.
> In the 1970s and 1980s there was much work on revision of the Eucharist,
> but the standard comment from liturgists was that there was no need or
> desire to revise Morning and Evening prayer which were nigh on perfect in
> their Cranmerian state. These people had grown up and been formed with
> Cranmer's version, like generations before them. The version in the ASB
> wasn't much more than a rendition into "you" language.
> 
> It took a later generation of liturgists to produce "Celebrating Common
> Prayer" outside the official revision process, and another decade before
> the CofE adopted this revision of the Office. Although there are still
> plenty of people who use the traditional BCP forms, especially for
> "formal" Sunday services, I suspect that the vast majority of CofE clergy
> and laity who say the daily office (as the clergy are canonically supposed
> to do) use the modern Common Worship forms.
> 
> This is similar to Max Planck's observation that "A new scientific truth
> does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the
> light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new
> generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck, 1906
> 
> Neatly (and indeed liturgically :-) ) paraphrased as
> "Science advances one funeral at a time".
> 
> simon
> 
> cantor03--- via Magdalen wrote:
>> Roman Stuff:
>> 
>> There was another article in "Worship" in which Pope Francis states that
>> the new Roman Rite is complete in every way, and there is no need to use
>> older worship forms.  In this he disagrees with all the other Popes since
>> Vatican-2.
>> 
>> I realize, however, that a large part of this is that since Francis was
>> ordained
>> priest in 1969, he has no clerical experience with the Tridentine Liturgy,
>> and has
>> probably never seen a well done Solemn High Mass using that form.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Simon Kershaw
> simon at kershaw.org.uk
> Saint Ives, Cambridgeshire
>