[Magdalen] In South Carolina, it ain't over yet

[Ginga Wilder]

Lynn, I believe that those who have continued to be TEC...Episcopalians in
SC have embraced the truth that TEC has become more progressive in recent
decades, perhaps going back to the '60s.  We sincerely embrace the theology
that 'All are Welcome, All are created in the image of God and are God's
blessed, beloved, broken children....yes, siblings.  And, there are others
who stayed with their beloved buildings who will do so whatever the
litigation outcome.

Ginga

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> O K A Y.... read the letter to the editor. Sigh. BIG sigh.
>
> I fail to understand how people fail to understand that THE church owns
> the property  in perpetuity for us (in most cases),  all of us who are
> "family members", so that there don't have to ever be 'worries' about who
> *gets* the property - it can't get taken, stolen or given, it just is. Hmmm
> something a bit theological there.
>
> It is actually an amazing set-up that I pondered when educated about it
> low those 30+ years ago. It is also one that is rarely taught, to our
> (TECmembers) disadvantage. Those who hold the belief that all the fixing,
> adding, maintaining have anything to do with ownership are missing an
> important truth, IMNSHO. Again, theology brings wisdom to bear.
>
> I would rather hear the true version of this fable... or maybe just a
> parable.
>
> And, Ginga... deep memories and sorrows about how you and your own friends
> and former parishioners have been rend apart by all of this.
>
> In many ways this kind of a conflict conforms so completely with the
> stormy times of the last decade(s). Power, selfishness and finger pointing.
>
> peace
> Lynn
>
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>
> "Mercy and compassion are more than personal options. They are the
> antidotes to that fear and hatred." Mark Singel
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 10:45 AM
> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] In South Carolina, it ain't over yet
>
>
> Right, you are, Molly and Lynn!
>>
>> There is great sadness in all this, though.  For twelve or 15 years, a
>> group of 6 women met weekly to study light theological things and pray
>> together.  We shared deep friendship, even though one of us was very
>> conservative theologically....Loved Mark Lawrence.  Then she read that two
>> of us and our husbands were among those who signed the requests sent to
>> the
>> TEC Disciplinary Board for Bishops in 2011 and 2012, requesting the board
>> investigate what Mark Lawrence had done to, in our opinion, take EDoSC out
>> of TEC.  Livid, furious, name-calling spewed at us in an email.  She
>> called
>> us quislings...I had to look up the definition.  This morning, in the
>> local
>> paper, Post & Courier, is a letter to the editor from her in which she
>> makes her case against TECSC.  So. very. sad.
>>
>> If you read it, you may understand more fully what the atmosphere is like
>> in SC regarding schism.
>> http://www.postandcourier.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/lett
>> er-setting-the-church-analogy-straight/article_7669044e-cfba
>> -11e7-a235-7b16d1e28636.html
>>
>> Sadly,
>> Ginga Wilder
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ohfergawdssake....
>>>
>>> For Lawrence and cohort, his is about confirmation of their rightness and
>>> legitimacy, I think, but that’s not what the courts are concerned with.
>>> And so no doubt it will prove.
>>>
>>> Molly
>>>
>>> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
>>> other way. -- Mark Twain
>>>
>>> > On Nov 25, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I don’t give this case much of a chance with the Supremes. Prayers
>>> continuing.
>>> > Lynn
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> >
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Friends,
>>> > Mark Lawrence and his lieutenants have not accepted the SC Supreme >
>>> Court
>>> > decisions not to recuse Justice Kaye Hearn and not to rehear the >
>>> property
>>> > church lawsuit.  They are appealing to the US Supreme Court and have >
>>> also
>>> > initiated another case in the lower SC Circuit Court.
>>> >
>>> > FYI, read the announcement from The Episcopal Church in SC here:
>>> > http://www.episcopalchurchsc.org/news-blog/new-lawsuit-
>>> filed-by-disassociated-group
>>> >
>>> > Lord, have mercy.
>>> > Ginga Wilder
>>>
>>>
>>>