[Magdalen] Fwd: Re: silence?

Grace Cangialosi gracecan at gmail.com
Mon Oct 16 21:13:58 UTC 2017 

Well, Byzantine is different than Old Catholic. Maybe she was just a member, but I think there was a connection. But I don’t think she’s here on the list anymore.

> On Oct 16, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Not Susan....Joe Cirou is a Byzantine Catholic priest, I think.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Didn’t we have a listsib—Susan Hutchison, I believe—who was an Old
>> Catholic priest?
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This article in Wikipedia is a little bit "off" but has some good basic
>>> information. Some of the Old Rite groups are a little bit crazy; most are
>>> not. It lists the group of the church I am going to as "minor", which it
>> is
>>> also not. But it's Wikipedia, what can I say? Actually, the Old
>> Ritualists
>>> mostly are in good accord with one another, at least in this part of the
>>> world, and with the rest of Russian Orthodoxy, except for ROCOR, which is
>>> kind of jealous of its position in the West.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Old Catholics who are in communion with the See of Utrecht are in full
>>>> communion with the Episcopal Church. Like many denominations, however,
>>>> there are splinter groups of Old Catholics who may or may not be in
>>>> communion with us, although they may practice open communion.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I’d not heard of the Old Rite Orthodox—just the Old Catholics, who, I
>>>>> believe, are in communion with us. The summer I was in Berea the
>> Orthodox
>>>>> campus chaplain, who was a woman, invited us to worship there, and I
>> was
>>>>> surprised to learn that they had closed communion. Up until then I had
>>>>> thought that was only true of the Roman church.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This branch of Old Rite Orthodox are very welcoming to all. They are
>>>>>> Russian in origin, like the OCA, but though they retain a Russian
>>>> flavor,
>>>>>> because they have been, as Fr. Kyrill says, "chased out" of so many
>>>>> places,
>>>>>> they aren't particular about who comes to worship with them, so long
>> as
>>>>>> they  accept that God is one in three persons, holy and indivisible.
>>>> They
>>>>>> will admit anyone to communion who has been baptized in the name of
>> the
>>>>>> Trinity. I don't really have to be chrismated to be part of the
>> church.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Michael Bishop <
>>>> rev at michaelbishop.name>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good to her from you,Lynn. I realised after I had sent my note to you
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it had not gone to the list so had to forward it.
>>>>>>> Nottinghamshire is very much Robin Hood Country. Years ago I had a
>>>> year
>>>>>>> holding the office of chaplain to the High Sheriff of Nottighamshire
>> -
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> High Sheriff being the office held by Robin Hood's traditional enemy.
>>>>>>> Sherwood Forest is just a few miles from where I now live. I grew up
>>>> in
>>>>>>> Nottigham,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>> God bless
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michael Bishop
>>>>>>> rev at michaelbishop.name
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2017 21:16, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> nice to hear from you Michael!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> you wrote: I now live in a bungalow in  Nottinghamshire
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sounds very *Robin Hood*  to my American ears : )
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Did you know that NYCity is also often referred to as Gotham?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lynn, peeking into the pub and getting back to many tasks at hand.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything
>> You
>>>>> gave
>>>>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> "Mercy and compassion are more than personal options. They are the
>>>>>>>> antidotes to that fear and hatred." Mark Singel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> From: "Michael Bishop" <rev at michaelbishop.name>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 2:57 PM
>>>>>>>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Magdalen] Fwd: Re:  silence?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] silence?
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:56:18 +0100
>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Bishop <rev at michaelbishop.name>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: rev at michaelbishop.name
>>>>>>>>> To: Marilyn Cepeda <mcepeda514 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am here. For me it has been a time of great change. I retired
>> from
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> stipendiary ministry just a month ago and of course had to move
>> home
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well - a major change after almost 21 years as rector of my 8
>>>> parishes
>>>>>>>>> in the diocese of Derby (England). I now live in a bungalow in the
>>>>>>>>> neighbouring county of Nottinghamshire (Diocese of Southwell &
>>>>>>>>> Nottingham). The parish I live in is Keyworth which is a large
>>>> village
>>>>>>>>> to which are yoled the neighbouring small rural parishes of
>>>>>>>>> Stanton-on-the-Wolds and Bunny. I hope in due course to take up
>> some
>>>>>>>>> retired ministry in the area - but the rule here is that retired
>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>> are expected to take 6 months out of active ministry after
>>>> retirement.
>>>>>>>>> Life seems very strange with no rushing about taking services and
>> it
>>>>>>>>> will certainly take quite a time to adjust.
>>>>>>>>> Listsibs may be interested to know that just up the road from me is
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> village of Gotham - presumably the source of the name which passed
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> somehow to Gotham City of Superman fame. This Gotham is however,
>>>>>>>>> pronounced Goatham. Locally it is a place of which there are many
>>>>> tales
>>>>>>>>> about the "Wise men of Gotham"
>>>>>>>>> One tale is that the three wise men of Gotham found a cuckoo. They
>>>>>>>>> wanted to keep it so they planted a bush round it to stop it
>>>> leaving -
>>>>>>>>> but the bird flew out from the top! The local pub is named "The
>>>> Cuckoo
>>>>>>>>> Bush"
>>>>>>>>> There is also a popular rhyme about them:
>>>>>>>>> Three wise men of Gotham
>>>>>>>>> went to sea in a bowl
>>>>>>>>> Had the bowl been stronger
>>>>>>>>> My tale would have been longer!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>>>> God bless
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Michael Bishop
>>>>>>>>> rev at michaelbishop.name
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2017 20:40, Marilyn Cepeda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am here. I am here in Scotland that is. We visited St Columba’s
>>>>>>>>>> Footsteps, the well, and the coastline of Kintyre Peninsula. One
>>>>>>>>>> serendipitous unplanned stop was abbey ruins  Saddell Abbey.
>>>>> Beautiful,
>>>>>>>>>> special places. We are looking for hurricane Ophelia tomorrow so
>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>>>> what our plans will be!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:46 PM Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm here. I check in a couple of times a day and all I find is
>> that
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> gmail is inundated with everything BUT pub posts. I had a crazy
>>>> week
>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>> week, starting with the weekend which was consumed with the Page
>>>>> County
>>>>>>>>>>> Heritage Festival, where we did very well, the equivalent of a
>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> month
>>>>>>>>>>> at the gallery, but I managed to get a case of heat exhaustion on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> day and felt like @#$%^! the whole time. Then rock club on
>> Monday,
>>>>>>>>>>> work at
>>>>>>>>>>> the gallery on Tuesday and Wednesday, and finally I could breathe
>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess I can now tell that I am attending an Orthodox church in
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a very small Old Rite Russian Orthodox Church just up the
>>>> road
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Mt.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jackson and I have been attending for a couple of months now and
>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> adult study classes. I feel very much at home there and am giving
>>>>>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>>>>>> thought to being chrismated at some time in the future. The
>>>> priest,
>>>>>>>>>>> Father
>>>>>>>>>>> Kyrill, and his wife, Matushka Dena Theodora, are both former
>>>>>>>>>>> Episcopalians
>>>>>>>>>>> who did *not* leave over things like OW or the prayer book, but
>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>> because they felt drawn to orthodoxy as I have since I was fairly
>>>>>>>>>>> young.
>>>>>>>>>>> But I won't leave the Pub!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Marion Thompson <
>>>>>>>>>>> marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Personally busy up to here.  Give me strength, especially to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow:  weekly volunteer at the free breakfast at a little
>>>> local
>>>>>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> resto 7 to 9 a.m., MP at the rectory at 9:30, funeral and
>>>>> reception at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 11,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> some time at home to  get cleaned up for a long drive (1 1//2
>>>> hrs)
>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> big city for a wine and cheese the Archbishop is hosting for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> now-defunct Diocesan Chaplaincy Committee of which I was a
>> member
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of years, then the long drive home again.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marion, a pilgrim
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2017 8:20 AM, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't had a Magdalen post since Oct 11th.  I have been in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlotte
>>>>>>>>>>>>> caring for my daughter-in-law following surgery and have not
>>>>> posted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything.  She (Christina) is fine.  I also visited Ginny and
>>>>> Barbie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winston Salem, NC where they have recently moved.  Ginny
>>>> accepted
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rector of St. Anne's Episcopal Church there.  Good to be with
>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whom live in NC now, and good to know that I can still drive
>> 600
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> three days.  John does the driving in our family but he did not
>>>> go
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> trip.  As for John and me, we wait for the SC Supreme Court to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether they will rehear the property case and also to hear the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> results
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mediation in both the federal case and the state case.  The
>>>>> Lawrence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> breakaways have a PR campaign going that is maddening to
>> follow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frustrating does not come close to covering the feelings I
>> have,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> will do for now.  Our 'side' (TEC and TECSC) has chosen not to
>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> publicly or to rebut what Lawrence, et al are putting out about
>>>>> 'us.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GRR.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Off to church.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ginga
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Judy Fleener <
>>>> fleenerj at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the list disappear while I was gone?  Is Brian OK? Did
>>>> Everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samuel Isaac Joseph Schereschewsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/267.html>Day?  It
>>>>> falls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wedding anniversary so I remember.  If I manage to say the
>>>> morning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remember, too, because it is commemorated by OJN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My love to you all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judy Fleener, ObJN,SSH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Western Michigan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Christopher Hart
>>>> 
>>>> List Mail Address: cervus51 at gmail.com
>>>> Personal Mail: cervus at veritasliberat.net
>>>> Twitter: @cervus51
>>>> 
>>

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