[Magdalen] Fwd: Re: silence?

Scott Knitter scottknitter at gmail.com
Mon Oct 16 16:13:23 UTC 2017 

Sandra Hutchinson of Massachusetts is a priest of the Independent Catholic
Christian Church.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Didn’t we have a listsib—Susan Hutchison, I believe—who was an Old
> Catholic priest?
>
> > On Oct 16, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This article in Wikipedia is a little bit "off" but has some good basic
> > information. Some of the Old Rite groups are a little bit crazy; most are
> > not. It lists the group of the church I am going to as "minor", which it
> is
> > also not. But it's Wikipedia, what can I say? Actually, the Old
> Ritualists
> > mostly are in good accord with one another, at least in this part of the
> > world, and with the rest of Russian Orthodoxy, except for ROCOR, which is
> > kind of jealous of its position in the West.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Old Catholics who are in communion with the See of Utrecht are in full
> >> communion with the Episcopal Church. Like many denominations, however,
> >> there are splinter groups of Old Catholics who may or may not be in
> >> communion with us, although they may practice open communion.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:38 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I’d not heard of the Old Rite Orthodox—just the Old Catholics, who, I
> >>> believe, are in communion with us. The summer I was in Berea the
> Orthodox
> >>> campus chaplain, who was a woman, invited us to worship there, and I
> was
> >>> surprised to learn that they had closed communion. Up until then I had
> >>> thought that was only true of the Roman church.
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This branch of Old Rite Orthodox are very welcoming to all. They are
> >>>> Russian in origin, like the OCA, but though they retain a Russian
> >> flavor,
> >>>> because they have been, as Fr. Kyrill says, "chased out" of so many
> >>> places,
> >>>> they aren't particular about who comes to worship with them, so long
> as
> >>>> they  accept that God is one in three persons, holy and indivisible.
> >> They
> >>>> will admit anyone to communion who has been baptized in the name of
> the
> >>>> Trinity. I don't really have to be chrismated to be part of the
> church.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Michael Bishop <
> >> rev at michaelbishop.name>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Good to her from you,Lynn. I realised after I had sent my note to you
> >>> that
> >>>>> it had not gone to the list so had to forward it.
> >>>>> Nottinghamshire is very much Robin Hood Country. Years ago I had a
> >> year
> >>>>> holding the office of chaplain to the High Sheriff of Nottighamshire
> -
> >>> the
> >>>>> High Sheriff being the office held by Robin Hood's traditional enemy.
> >>>>> Sherwood Forest is just a few miles from where I now live. I grew up
> >> in
> >>>>> Nottigham,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ....
> >>>>> ....
> >>>>> God bless
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Bishop
> >>>>> rev at michaelbishop.name
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 15/10/2017 21:16, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nice to hear from you Michael!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> you wrote: I now live in a bungalow in  Nottinghamshire
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> sounds very *Robin Hood*  to my American ears : )
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you know that NYCity is also often referred to as Gotham?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lynn, peeking into the pub and getting back to many tasks at hand.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I
> >> have
> >>>>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything
> You
> >>> gave
> >>>>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Mercy and compassion are more than personal options. They are the
> >>>>>> antidotes to that fear and hatred." Mark Singel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> From: "Michael Bishop" <rev at michaelbishop.name>
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 2:57 PM
> >>>>>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Magdalen] Fwd: Re:  silence?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] silence?
> >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 20:56:18 +0100
> >>>>>>> From: Michael Bishop <rev at michaelbishop.name>
> >>>>>>> Reply-To: rev at michaelbishop.name
> >>>>>>> To: Marilyn Cepeda <mcepeda514 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am here. For me it has been a time of great change. I retired
> from
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> stipendiary ministry just a month ago and of course had to move
> home
> >>> as
> >>>>>>> well - a major change after almost 21 years as rector of my 8
> >> parishes
> >>>>>>> in the diocese of Derby (England). I now live in a bungalow in the
> >>>>>>> neighbouring county of Nottinghamshire (Diocese of Southwell &
> >>>>>>> Nottingham). The parish I live in is Keyworth which is a large
> >> village
> >>>>>>> to which are yoled the neighbouring small rural parishes of
> >>>>>>> Stanton-on-the-Wolds and Bunny. I hope in due course to take up
> some
> >>>>>>> retired ministry in the area - but the rule here is that retired
> >>> clergy
> >>>>>>> are expected to take 6 months out of active ministry after
> >> retirement.
> >>>>>>> Life seems very strange with no rushing about taking services and
> it
> >>>>>>> will certainly take quite a time to adjust.
> >>>>>>> Listsibs may be interested to know that just up the road from me is
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> village of Gotham - presumably the source of the name which passed
> >> on
> >>>>>>> somehow to Gotham City of Superman fame. This Gotham is however,
> >>>>>>> pronounced Goatham. Locally it is a place of which there are many
> >>> tales
> >>>>>>> about the "Wise men of Gotham"
> >>>>>>> One tale is that the three wise men of Gotham found a cuckoo. They
> >>>>>>> wanted to keep it so they planted a bush round it to stop it
> >> leaving -
> >>>>>>> but the bird flew out from the top! The local pub is named "The
> >> Cuckoo
> >>>>>>> Bush"
> >>>>>>> There is also a popular rhyme about them:
> >>>>>>> Three wise men of Gotham
> >>>>>>> went to sea in a bowl
> >>>>>>> Had the bowl been stronger
> >>>>>>> My tale would have been longer!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ....
> >>>>>>> ....
> >>>>>>> God bless
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Michael Bishop
> >>>>>>> rev at michaelbishop.name
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 15/10/2017 20:40, Marilyn Cepeda wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am here. I am here in Scotland that is. We visited St Columba’s
> >>>>>>>> Footsteps, the well, and the coastline of Kintyre Peninsula. One
> >>>>>>>> serendipitous unplanned stop was abbey ruins  Saddell Abbey.
> >>> Beautiful,
> >>>>>>>> special places. We are looking for hurricane Ophelia tomorrow so
> >> not
> >>>>>>>> sure
> >>>>>>>> what our plans will be!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:46 PM Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm here. I check in a couple of times a day and all I find is
> that
> >>> my
> >>>>>>>>> gmail is inundated with everything BUT pub posts. I had a crazy
> >> week
> >>>>>>>>> last
> >>>>>>>>> week, starting with the weekend which was consumed with the Page
> >>> County
> >>>>>>>>> Heritage Festival, where we did very well, the equivalent of a
> >> good
> >>>>>>>>> month
> >>>>>>>>> at the gallery, but I managed to get a case of heat exhaustion on
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>> first
> >>>>>>>>> day and felt like @#$%^! the whole time. Then rock club on
> Monday,
> >>>>>>>>> work at
> >>>>>>>>> the gallery on Tuesday and Wednesday, and finally I could breathe
> >> on
> >>>>>>>>> Thursday.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I guess I can now tell that I am attending an Orthodox church in
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> area.
> >>>>>>>>> It's a very small Old Rite Russian Orthodox Church just up the
> >> road
> >>> in
> >>>>>>>>> Mt.
> >>>>>>>>> Jackson and I have been attending for a couple of months now and
> >>> going
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> adult study classes. I feel very much at home there and am giving
> >>>>>>>>> serious
> >>>>>>>>> thought to being chrismated at some time in the future. The
> >> priest,
> >>>>>>>>> Father
> >>>>>>>>> Kyrill, and his wife, Matushka Dena Theodora, are both former
> >>>>>>>>> Episcopalians
> >>>>>>>>> who did *not* leave over things like OW or the prayer book, but
> >>> simply
> >>>>>>>>> because they felt drawn to orthodoxy as I have since I was fairly
> >>>>>>>>> young.
> >>>>>>>>> But I won't leave the Pub!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Marion Thompson <
> >>>>>>>>> marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Personally busy up to here.  Give me strength, especially to get
> >>>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>>> tomorrow:  weekly volunteer at the free breakfast at a little
> >> local
> >>>>>>>>>> bar
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> resto 7 to 9 a.m., MP at the rectory at 9:30, funeral and
> >>> reception at
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 11,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> some time at home to  get cleaned up for a long drive (1 1//2
> >> hrs)
> >>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> big city for a wine and cheese the Archbishop is hosting for the
> >>>>>>>>>> now-defunct Diocesan Chaplaincy Committee of which I was a
> member
> >>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> whole bunch of years, then the long drive home again.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Marion, a pilgrim
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2017 8:20 AM, Ginga Wilder wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I haven't had a Magdalen post since Oct 11th.  I have been in
> >>>>>>>>>>> Charlotte
> >>>>>>>>>>> caring for my daughter-in-law following surgery and have not
> >>> posted
> >>>>>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> anything.  She (Christina) is fine.  I also visited Ginny and
> >>> Barbie
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> Winston Salem, NC where they have recently moved.  Ginny
> >> accepted
> >>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call
> >>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>> rector of St. Anne's Episcopal Church there.  Good to be with
> >>> family
> >>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> whom live in NC now, and good to know that I can still drive
> 600
> >>>>>>>>>>> miles
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> three days.  John does the driving in our family but he did not
> >> go
> >>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> trip.  As for John and me, we wait for the SC Supreme Court to
> >>>>>>>>>>> announce
> >>>>>>>>>>> whether they will rehear the property case and also to hear the
> >>>>>>>>>>> results
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> mediation in both the federal case and the state case.  The
> >>> Lawrence
> >>>>>>>>>>> breakaways have a PR campaign going that is maddening to
> follow.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Frustrating does not come close to covering the feelings I
> have,
> >>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> will do for now.  Our 'side' (TEC and TECSC) has chosen not to
> >>> speak
> >>>>>>>>>>> publicly or to rebut what Lawrence, et al are putting out about
> >>> 'us.'
> >>>>>>>>>>> GRR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Off to church.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ginga
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Judy Fleener <
> >> fleenerj at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Did the list disappear while I was gone?  Is Brian OK? Did
> >> Everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>> miss
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Samuel Isaac Joseph Schereschewsky
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bio/267.html>Day?  It
> >>> falls
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wedding anniversary so I remember.  If I manage to say the
> >> morning
> >>>>>>>>>>>> office I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> will remember, too, because it is commemorated by OJN.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> My love to you all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Judy Fleener, ObJN,SSH
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Western Michigan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Christopher Hart
> >>
> >> List Mail Address: cervus51 at gmail.com
> >> Personal Mail: cervus at veritasliberat.net
> >> Twitter: @cervus51
> >>
>



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Scott R. Knitter
Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA

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