[Magdalen] Dio. Of Virginia

[Ginga Wilder]

South Carolina has had two provisional bishops since the schism in 2012.
Rt. Rev. Charles vonRosenberg, retired of E.TN (known to Ann) and Rt. Rev.
Gladstone "Skip" Adams, retired of CNY.  Bp vonRosenberg helped SC
reorganize an Episcopal diocese in SC after Mark Lawrence took most of
local TEC congregations out of the church.  (This is still being
litigated.)  Bp Adams has continued to shepherd TECSC and has firmed up our
organizational needs.  Both of these bishops work/ed parttime.  The
Episcopal Church has rules of tenure for provisional bishops...like 2.5
years with a possible one-time extension.  I do believe a provisional
bishop must already be a bishop when called to a diocese.  The most notable
difference with a provisional bishop is that s/he is a is hired by the
diocese, thus can be discharged by the standing committee if things don't
work out well.  I'm not sure this would work well in conflicted dioceses.

This is probably an itchy question, but is it possible for Dio of VA to be
divided into two smaller dioceses?  The job seems so overwhelming and huge
with the number of churches included in VA.  Yeah, I said itchy....I
understand many would not want to consider this.

The other thing is I agree totally that the truth of what has gone on to
create the present unpleasantness in the diocese needs to be told to
Episcopalians there.  Perhaps the diocese would need to have certain skills
in its next bishop?  But, if secrets are being kept from the general
members, that is just playing the same stuff into the future and that ain't
healthy!

Blessings all.
Ginga

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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:21 PM Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu> wrote:

> Western New York. Bishop provisional is nothing like interim or priest in
> charge. It’s in contemplation of an entirely new form of Diocesan structure
> (not yet fully known; to be discerned as we live into it), not some kind of
> “special care for a troubled diocese.” Don’t know what you'd call that
> other kind of bishop (maybe the same thing), but that’s not the model in
> play here.
>
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:12 AM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I’ve forgotten, Ann—what is your Diocese now? Five years seems like a
> long
> > time for a provisional. If we’d been able to find one, the term would
> have
> > been for three years.
> > It almost sounds as if the role of bishop provisional is the equivalent
> of
> > priest-in-charge. We’re using that more and more in our diocese.
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep. We’ve been talking bishop provisional for a couple of years, and
> > > formalized it at diocesan convention last fall. +Sean Rowe of Western
> PA
> > is
> > > our provisional bishop elect, to begin a 5 year term in April 2019.
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:46 AM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I saw an article earlier this week about the potential—or
> > current—shortage
> > >> of bishop candidates and what it might mean for the future
> organization
> > of
> > >> the church. Your situation in Michigan sounds as if it might be a
> trial
> > >> case for that. It’s happened in other places as well.
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 8, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Judy Fleener <fleenerj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Our bishop, Western Michigan is now the provisional for Eastern Mich
> as
> > >> he
> > >>> continues as our diocesan.  I'm a member of the Standing Committee.
> > This
> > >>> is seen as a step toward something where our bishop will become their
> > >>> bishop also. Not sure that that means  our becoming one diocese.  Our
> > See
> > >>> city is now Grand Rapids.  We have hired the communications person
> from
> > >>> Eastern Michigan to to that job for us along side the job in Eastern
> > >> Mich.
> > >>> Part of the motivation is money..
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 6:10 AM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well, in another change of plans, it seems we aren’t going to have a
> > >>>> Bishop Provisional, after all. Instead, Susan Goff, our Suffragan
> will
> > >>>> continue to be the Ecclesiastical Authority until we have elected
> and
> > >>>> consecrated a Diocesan. Lord only knows how long that will take!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’m not sure what I think about this, but it doesn’t feel like a
> good
> > >>>> idea. OTOH, they’ve really been having a hard time finding a
> > >> Provisional.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Judy Fleener, ObJN,SSH
> > >>> Western Michigan
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Ann
> > >
> > > The Rev. Ann Markle
> > > Buffalo, NY
> > > www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com
> >
> --
> Ann
>
> The Rev. Ann Markle
> Buffalo, NY
> www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com
>