[Magdalen] Dio SC (was Re: Dio. Of Virginia)

[Ginga Wilder]

Sorry, here's the link.
Ginga

http://www.episcopalchurchsc.org/news-blog/episcopal-church-parties-seek-summary-judgement-in-federal-lawsuit?fbclid=IwAR1Sw6gZd5s6SIFSR4gKfMo7yOdKemndTQ7XqzRIB1cd5Aj7Qeq65-LisKY

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 12:56 PM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:

> And, here is another tidbit of news of the day in the TECSC & TEC legal
> journey.  This is the federal case; the one Roger and I referenced earlier
> today is the case before state of SC.
>
> Lord have mercy.
> Ginga
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 8:04 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Roger, and anyone still following the litigation in SC, here is the entry
>> Ron Caldwell, historian and author of "The Episcopal Church Schism in South
>> Carolina", recorded the following in his chronology of this mess:
>>
>> *" November 19 --- Judge Edgar Dickson, of the circuit court, held a
>> hearing on DSC's motion for clarification, essentially asking the circuit
>> court to disregard the SCSC decision of Aug. 2, 2017, and rule on the issue
>> of the properties anew. The hearing was in the Orangeburg county
>> courthouse, in Orangeburg, SC. The judge listened to the arguments of the
>> lawyers on the two sides and said he would rule on the motion in time. He
>> set aside the other five motions/petitions for the time being. "*
>>
>> *http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-schism-in-episcopal-church-diocese.html
>> <http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-schism-in-episcopal-church-diocese.html>*
>>
>> *Ginga*
>>
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>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 7:41 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Roger.  Yes, you are absolutely correct.  When all the trappings
>>> of our ecclesiastical inner workings went away, The Episcopal Church in SC
>>> was free to reclaim our essence as the body of Christ.  We are much the
>>> healthier for it.  When the politics went away, we were free to love as we
>>> are called.  I say from my place in the pew that the schism ultimately was
>>> the very best thing that could have happened for Episcopalians in SC at the
>>> time.  We found ourselves as a church again.  Of course, politics are there
>>> and the litigation drags on and on and on, but it is good here.  Sr Julian
>>> reminds us that all shall be welle, and this is true.  (Did I say that
>>> while Good Shepherd is outgrowing our rented space, many in our
>>> congregation, including John and me, do not want to assume the St. Paul's
>>> property.  For many reasons.  But, when that decision comes, Good Shepherd
>>> won't have a choice in that decision. )
>>>
>>> You have not missed anything - nothing has come from the courts since
>>> Judge Dickson heard the latest rendition of the Lawrence church's argument
>>> that the split SC Supreme Court decision for TEC and TECSC didn't mean what
>>> it said.  John and I attended that hearing along with a few others from
>>> Good Shepherd.  I felt the judge was quite sympathetic to the Lawrence
>>> argument and not so much with TECSC's request to move forward to implement
>>> the SCSC ruling by appointing a forensic accountant and also a special
>>> manager to oversee the distribution of property.  My guess is that we are
>>> at least a year or more away from anything changing with regard to property
>>> settlement.  Please know that I have no info from our diocese to form my
>>> opinion...and remember that I tend towards being an Eeyore when confronted
>>> with this subject.  So, my opinion comes simply from my negative intuition.
>>>
>>> You may find further information in recent posts at these two blogs:
>>> Ron Caldwell
>>> http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Steve Skardon
>>> http://www.scepiscopalians.com/
>>>
>>> Ginga Wilder
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 7:03 AM Roger Stokes via Magdalen <
>>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/12/2018 11:35, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>>> > BUT, remember where I come from...SC took years - at least 25 to come
>>>> to
>>>> > schism.  I am not saying that is happening in VA, just that my
>>>> experience
>>>> > is so particular regarding diocesan leadership leading down the wrong
>>>> > path.  And, again, the schism was not such a terrible thing for those
>>>> of us
>>>> > who remained with TEC.
>>>>
>>>> Ginga,
>>>>
>>>> In a sense the reorganization has meant that you have been able to work
>>>> from a fairly clean state, going back to basics and arranging things as
>>>> you want. From what you have said before for some congregations it has
>>>> meant not having a lot of plant to maintain and so the freedom to be,
>>>> if
>>>> you like, a cutting which has got a fresh start in fresh compost with
>>>> all the vitality that brings.
>>>>
>>>> On a tangential matter have I missed something or has there been no
>>>> further ruling or hearing since the 19 November hearing about
>>>> implementing the SCSC ruling?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>