[Magdalen] Dio SC (was Re: Dio. Of Virginia)

[Ginga Wilder]

And, here is another tidbit of news of the day in the TECSC & TEC legal
journey.  This is the federal case; the one Roger and I referenced earlier
today is the case before state of SC.

Lord have mercy.
Ginga

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On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 8:04 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger, and anyone still following the litigation in SC, here is the entry
> Ron Caldwell, historian and author of "The Episcopal Church Schism in South
> Carolina", recorded the following in his chronology of this mess:
>
> *" November 19 --- Judge Edgar Dickson, of the circuit court, held a
> hearing on DSC's motion for clarification, essentially asking the circuit
> court to disregard the SCSC decision of Aug. 2, 2017, and rule on the issue
> of the properties anew. The hearing was in the Orangeburg county
> courthouse, in Orangeburg, SC. The judge listened to the arguments of the
> lawyers on the two sides and said he would rule on the motion in time. He
> set aside the other five motions/petitions for the time being. "*
>
> *http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-schism-in-episcopal-church-diocese.html
> <http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-schism-in-episcopal-church-diocese.html>*
>
> *Ginga*
>
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> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 7:41 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Roger.  Yes, you are absolutely correct.  When all the trappings
>> of our ecclesiastical inner workings went away, The Episcopal Church in SC
>> was free to reclaim our essence as the body of Christ.  We are much the
>> healthier for it.  When the politics went away, we were free to love as we
>> are called.  I say from my place in the pew that the schism ultimately was
>> the very best thing that could have happened for Episcopalians in SC at the
>> time.  We found ourselves as a church again.  Of course, politics are there
>> and the litigation drags on and on and on, but it is good here.  Sr Julian
>> reminds us that all shall be welle, and this is true.  (Did I say that
>> while Good Shepherd is outgrowing our rented space, many in our
>> congregation, including John and me, do not want to assume the St. Paul's
>> property.  For many reasons.  But, when that decision comes, Good Shepherd
>> won't have a choice in that decision. )
>>
>> You have not missed anything - nothing has come from the courts since
>> Judge Dickson heard the latest rendition of the Lawrence church's argument
>> that the split SC Supreme Court decision for TEC and TECSC didn't mean what
>> it said.  John and I attended that hearing along with a few others from
>> Good Shepherd.  I felt the judge was quite sympathetic to the Lawrence
>> argument and not so much with TECSC's request to move forward to implement
>> the SCSC ruling by appointing a forensic accountant and also a special
>> manager to oversee the distribution of property.  My guess is that we are
>> at least a year or more away from anything changing with regard to property
>> settlement.  Please know that I have no info from our diocese to form my
>> opinion...and remember that I tend towards being an Eeyore when confronted
>> with this subject.  So, my opinion comes simply from my negative intuition.
>>
>> You may find further information in recent posts at these two blogs:
>> Ron Caldwell
>> http://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Steve Skardon
>> http://www.scepiscopalians.com/
>>
>> Ginga Wilder
>>
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>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 7:03 AM Roger Stokes via Magdalen <
>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/12/2018 11:35, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>> > BUT, remember where I come from...SC took years - at least 25 to come
>>> to
>>> > schism.  I am not saying that is happening in VA, just that my
>>> experience
>>> > is so particular regarding diocesan leadership leading down the wrong
>>> > path.  And, again, the schism was not such a terrible thing for those
>>> of us
>>> > who remained with TEC.
>>>
>>> Ginga,
>>>
>>> In a sense the reorganization has meant that you have been able to work
>>> from a fairly clean state, going back to basics and arranging things as
>>> you want. From what you have said before for some congregations it has
>>> meant not having a lot of plant to maintain and so the freedom to be, if
>>> you like, a cutting which has got a fresh start in fresh compost with
>>> all the vitality that brings.
>>>
>>> On a tangential matter have I missed something or has there been no
>>> further ruling or hearing since the 19 November hearing about
>>> implementing the SCSC ruling?
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>