[Magdalen] The latest of Prayer Book Revision

[Christopher Hart]

This afternoon the House of Deputies voted to Concur with the House of
Bishops substitute version of A068. I would have preferred to see the whole
thing die a quiet death, but this is at least less onerous than what the
House of Deputies passed two days ago.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:23 AM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for further explanation, Christopher.  I thought there were many
> problems with A068,  so glad your vote represented my kind of thinking.
> The bishop's resolution does not seem to take anything away, rather it
> adds/includes some very good things - translations, keeping the trial
> marriage rites, inclusive language.  This cannot be as expensive as A068.
> Not having a date certain for an entirely new BCP to be rewritten, complete
> with translations, the bishops' resolution allows time to do the work
> without a looming deadline...slows the process down.
>
> So glad Meg is on this committee.  I also know Sam Candler well - we was
> associate at my parish in the late '80s.
>
> Ginga
>
> Ginga
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:46 PM Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think the key thing to understand about what the bishops did was that
> > their resolution, unlike the "troublesome" A068 passed by the House of
> > Deputies, does not set in motion a firm plan for producing a new prayer
> > book. Instead it allows for ongoing development of new liturgies without
> > any firm specification that a new (replacement) BCP will be developed
> > within any projected time frame. I could probably vote for this
> resolution.
> > I did not vote for A068 when it passed in the House of Deputies. Unless
> the
> > House of Deputies concurs with the House of Bishops resolution we could
> get
> > into a game of ecclesiastical ping pong by further amending their
> proposal
> > so that it would then have to go back to the bishops and so forth. Too
> much
> > of that risks getting nothing done if we run out of time.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for clarification, Chad.  I did know that about the availability
> > of
> > > ss marriages.  I am finding it difficult to follow GC79 -- too much
> going
> > > on here and also in the two houses.
> > >
> > > Acutally, I agree with moving to translate new liturgies into the other
> > > languages.  How awful for people to have to worship without a
> text...BCP
> > is
> > > a fine teaching tool and I'm glad it will be made available in several
> > > other languages of TEC worshipers.  I was astounded to learn that
> > speakers
> > > of languages other than English were being so blatantly excluded.
> > >
> > > As you have explained, this seems like a good compromise.  I especially
> > > 'love' that we can continue to use '79.  I especially appreciate the
> > > baptismal service.  Especially this:
> > > Heavenly Father, we thank you that by water and the Holy
> > > Spirit you have bestowed upon *these* your servants the
> > > forgiveness of sin, and have raised *them* to the new life of
> > > grace. Sustain *them,* O Lord, in your Holy Spirit. Give *them*
> > > an inquiring and discerning heart, the courage to will and to
> > > persevere, a spirit to know and to love you, and the gift of joy
> > > and wonder in all your works. *Amen*.
> > >
> > > Chad, thank you for putting the BCP online for us to use.  A true gift.
> > >
> > > Ginga
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:37 PM Charles Wohlers <chadwohl at satucket.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My reading is, maybe yes, maybe no. So - they may be part of a new
> > Prayer
> > > > Book, or they may continue to live in alternative services. Remember
> > that
> > > > another piece of legislation passed which says that same-sex marriage
> > > > rites
> > > > had to be available in all dioceses.
> > > >
> > > > The only really substantive I see in this legislation is that the
> 1979
> > > BCP
> > > > will remain in effect after a new Prayer Book comes out. That is,
> both
> > > may
> > > > be used, much as is currently the case in Canada and in the C of E.
> At
> > > > least, that's the way I read it.
> > > >
> > > > Chad Wohlers
> > > > Woodbury, VT USA
> > > > chadwohl at satucket.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ginga Wilder
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:06 PM
> > > > To: Magdalen
> > > > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] The latest of Prayer Book Revision
> > > >
> > > > John, it is not clear to me from the wording that this 0084 will
> > include
> > > > same gendered marriage rites.  Can you clarify, please?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ginga Wilder
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:23 PM John Robison <friarjohn00 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The HoB sent this piece of substitute legislation to the HoD:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.vbinder.net/floor_amendments/84?house=hb&lang=en
> > > > >
> > > > > The Text:
> > > > > Floor Amendment 0084 to resolution A068
> > > > > Proposed by The Rt. Rev. C. Andrew Doyle
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, That the 79th General
> > > > > Convention, pursuant to Article X of the Constitution, authorize
> the
> > > > > ongoing work of liturgical and Prayer Book revision for the future
> of
> > > > God’s
> > > > > mission through the Episcopal branch of the Jesus movement. And,
> that
> > > it
> > > > > do
> > > > > so upon the core theological work of loving, liberating,
> life-giving
> > > > > reconciliation and creation care; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, that our methodology be one of a dynamic process for
> > > > discerning
> > > > > common worship, engaging all the baptized, while practicing
> > > > accountability
> > > > > to The Episcopal Church; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That the 79th General Convention create a Task Force on
> > > > > Liturgical and Prayer Book Revision (TFLPBR), the membership of
> which
> > > > will
> > > > > be jointly appointed by the Presiding Bishop and the President of
> the
> > > > > House
> > > > > of Deputies, and will report to the appropriate legislative
> > > committee(s)
> > > > > of
> > > > > the 80th General Convention, ensuring that diverse voices of our
> > church
> > > > > are
> > > > > active participants in this liturgical revision by constituting a
> > group
> > > > > with leaders who represent the expertise, gender, age, theology,
> > > > regional,
> > > > > and ethnic diversity of the church, to include, 10 laity, 10
> priests
> > or
> > > > > deacons, and 10 Bishops; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That this Convention memorialize the 1979 Book of Common
> > > > Prayer
> > > > > as a Prayer Book of the church preserving the psalter, liturgies,
> The
> > > > > Lambeth Quadrilateral, Historic Documents, and Trinitarian
> > Formularies
> > > > > ensuring its continued use; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That this church continue to engage the deep Baptismal
> and
> > > > > Eucharistic theology and practice of the 1979 Prayer Book; and be
> it
> > > > > further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That bishops engage worshiping communities in
> > > experimentation
> > > > > and the creation of alternative texts to offer to the wider church,
> > and
> > > > > that each diocese be urged to create a liturgical commission to
> > > collect,
> > > > > reflect, teach and share these resources with the TFLPBR; and be it
> > > > > further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That the TFLPBR in consultation with the Standing
> > Commission
> > > > on
> > > > > Structure, Governance, Constitution and Canons is directed to
> propose
> > > to
> > > > > the 80th General Convention revisions to the Constitution and
> Canons
> > to
> > > > > enable The Episcopal Church to be adaptive in its engagement of
> > future
> > > > > generations of Episcopalians, multiplying, connecting, and
> > > disseminating
> > > > > new liturgies for mission, attending to prayer book revision in
> other
> > > > > provinces of the Anglican Communion; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That liturgical and Prayer Book revision will continue
> in
> > > > > faithful adherence to the historic rites of the Church Universal as
> > > they
> > > > > have been received and interpreted within the Anglican tradition of
> > > 1979
> > > > > Book of Common Prayer, mindful of our existing ecumenical
> > commitments,
> > > > > while also providing space for, encouraging the submission of, and
> > > > > facilitating the perfection of rites that will arise from the
> > continual
> > > > > movement of the Holy Spirit among us and growing insights of our
> > > Church;
> > > > > and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That such revision utilize the riches of Holy Scripture
> > and
> > > > our
> > > > > Church’s liturgical, cultural, racial, generational, linguistic,
> > > gender,
> > > > > physical ability, class and ethnic diversity in order to share
> common
> > > > > worship; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That our liturgical revision utilize inclusive and
> > expansive
> > > > > language and imagery for humanity and divinity; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That our liturgical revision shall incorporate and
> express
> > > > > understanding, appreciation, and care of God’s creation; and be it
> > > > > further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That our liturgical revision take into consideration the
> > use
> > > > of
> > > > > emerging technologies which provide access to a broad range of
> > > liturgical
> > > > > resources; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That the SCLM create a professional dynamic equivalence
> > > > > translation of The Book of Common Prayer 1979 and the Enriching Our
> > > > > Worship
> > > > > Series in Spanish, French, and Haitian Creole; and that the SCLM
> > > > diversify
> > > > > the publication formats of new resources, liturgies and rites to
> > > include
> > > > > online publishing; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That this church ensure that, at each step of the
> revision
> > > > > process, all materials be professionally translated into English,
> > > > Spanish,
> > > > > French, and Haitian Creole, following the principles of dynamic
> > > > > equivalence
> > > > > and that no new rites or liturgical resources be approved by this
> > > church
> > > > > until such translations are secured; and be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved, That the TFLPBR shall report to the 80th General
> > Convention;
> > > > > and
> > > > > be it further*
> > > > >
> > > > > *Resolved*, *That there being $201,000 in the proposed budget for
> the
> > > > > translation of liturgical materials, that the Executive Council be
> > > > > encouraged to identify additional funds in the amount of $200,000
> to
> > > > begin
> > > > > this liturgical revision.*
> > > > > This replaces the more troubelsom (to many) A068 with a different
> > > > process.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Rev. John R. Robison
> > > > >
> > > > > The Old Catholic Church, Provence of the United States.
> > > > > www.TOCCUSA.org
> > > > >
> > > > > "Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic
> > > > > uninterestingness as an intellectual position." - John Updike
> > > > >
> > > > > "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's
> > > life:
> > > > > The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy
> > > that
> > > > > often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes,
> > > > leading
> > > > > to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to
> > deal
> > > > > with
> > > > > the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."  ~John Rogers
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Christopher Hart
> >
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> >
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