[Magdalen] Those Who Stay/Depart
Scott Knitter
scottknitter at gmail.com
Wed Jun 13 15:26:53 UTC 2018
Here's info about the one in the USA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Ordinariate_of_the_Chair_of_Saint_Peter
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the Ordinariate?
>
> > On Jun 13, 2018, at 2:43 AM, ROGER STOKES via Magdalen <
> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> >
> > I agree that the RCC will resume ordaining married men (They did a
> millenium ago) n the fairly near future. There is no theological objection
> as is evidenced by the Ordinariate priests, other married priests who were
> formerly in another denomination and the Eastern Rite Catholics, all of
> whom are in communion with the Pope. I understand that having a nominally
> celibate priesthood is a hindrance to work and witness in some parts of the
> world.
> > Personally I think two major mistakes were made during Pope Benedict's
> time. One was the approval of the "English" language translation of the
> Missal. "English" in quotes because it is not even good English. T%he other
> was the establishment of the Ordinariates, the first being here in England.
> If an individual decides that their spiritual journey is leading them to
> the RCC then I have no problem - as I made clear publicly when two
> (separately) left my then parish in the latter half of the 1990's. The
> Ordinariate is something different - wanting to have your cake and eat it.
> This side of the pond the ratio of clergy to congregation in the
> Ordinariate groups is such that most Ordinariate priests need to look
> elsewhere for therir income. In some cases it is providing cover for the
> lack of RCC priests.
> > Roger
> >
> > On Wednesday, 13 June 2018, 6:18, Grace Cangialosi <
> gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And many of the married deacons who would like to be priests aren’t
> happy about it. And some are angry about the fact that the RC Church will
> take married Episcopal priests. One Catholic deacon told me it felt like a
> slap in the face.
> > My prediction for a long time has been that they will allow married
> priests and fairly soon, because of the shortage of priests. And I think
> they will ultimately ordain women. After all, Pope Francis has raised the
> idea of women deacons. And that’s how we started. I think it’s the
> proverbial camel’s nose under the tent!
> > And there are already some 200 RC women who have been ordained priests
> and serve clandestine congregations. I believe that, like our Philadelphia
> 11, their ordinations are valid but irregular and they have at least one
> Bishop.
> >
> >> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> They do, of course, ordain married men as deacons. That probably
> encourages
> >> more vocations. The ordinariate, like the eastern rite Catholic
> churches,
> >> also allows married men to be priests.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:48 PM, cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> >> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's interesting that at least locally, the RC's are making up for the
> >>> dearth of priestly candidates with large numbers of deacons. Women,
> >>> of course, are not on the horizon.
> >>>
> >>> The RCC priestly ordinations are so unusual now that such a liturgy
> >>> makes headline news. Such an event for 2 priestly candidates, the
> first
> >>> in two years, was front page in the local journal. One of those
> priestly
> >>> ordinands is 65.
> >>>
> >>> There were 12 deacons at the same liturgy, and that was just this
> year's
> >>> crop.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> David S.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 6/12/2018 3:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> michaudme at gmail.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> RCs ordain women.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Christopher Hart
> >>
> >> List Mail Address: cervus51 at gmail.com
> >> Personal Mail: cervus at veritasliberat.net
> >> Twitter: @cervus51
> >
> >
>
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Scott R. Knitter
Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
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