[Magdalen] Those Who Stay/Depart

[Grace Cangialosi]

What is the Ordinariate?

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 2:43 AM, ROGER STOKES via Magdalen <magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
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> I agree that the RCC will resume ordaining married men (They did a millenium ago) n the fairly near future. There is no theological objection as is evidenced by the Ordinariate priests, other married priests who were formerly in another denomination and the Eastern Rite Catholics, all of whom are in communion with the Pope. I understand that having a nominally celibate priesthood is a hindrance to work and witness in some parts of the world.
> Personally I think two major mistakes were made during Pope Benedict's time. One was the approval of the "English" language translation of the Missal. "English" in quotes because it is not even good English. T%he other was the establishment of the Ordinariates, the first being here in England. If an individual decides that their spiritual journey is leading them to the RCC then I have no problem - as I made clear publicly when two (separately) left my then parish in the latter half of the 1990's. The Ordinariate is something different - wanting to have your cake and eat it. This side of the pond the ratio of clergy to congregation in the Ordinariate groups is such that most Ordinariate priests need to look elsewhere for therir income. In some cases it is providing cover for the lack of RCC priests.
> Roger 
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>    On Wednesday, 13 June 2018, 6:18, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> And many of the married deacons who would like to be priests aren’t happy about it. And some are angry about the fact that the RC Church will take married Episcopal priests. One Catholic deacon told me it felt like a slap in the face.
> My prediction for a long time has been that they will allow married priests and fairly soon, because of the shortage of priests. And I think they will ultimately ordain women. After all, Pope Francis has raised the idea of women deacons. And that’s how we started. I think it’s the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent!
> And there are already some 200 RC women who have been ordained priests and serve clandestine congregations. I believe that, like our Philadelphia 11, their ordinations are valid but irregular and they have at least one Bishop.
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>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:53 PM, Christopher Hart <cervus51 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> They do, of course, ordain married men as deacons. That probably encourages
>> more vocations. The ordinariate, like the eastern rite Catholic churches,
>> also allows married men to be priests.
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>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:48 PM, cantor03--- via Magdalen <
>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
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>>> It's interesting that at least locally, the RC's are making up for the
>>> dearth of priestly candidates with large numbers of deacons.  Women,
>>> of course, are not on the horizon.
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>>> The RCC priestly ordinations are so unusual now that such a liturgy
>>> makes headline news.  Such an event for 2 priestly candidates, the first
>>> in two years, was front page in the local journal.  One of those priestly
>>> ordinands is 65.
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>>> There were 12 deacons at the same liturgy, and that was just this year's
>>> crop.
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>>> David S.
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>>> In a message dated 6/12/2018 3:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> michaudme at gmail.com writes:
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>>> RCs ordain women.
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>> Christopher Hart
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