[Magdalen] Alfie Evans has died

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

How the heck do you know that? The answer of course is that you don't. I am
now wondering if someone hacked Ms Wolf's account.

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net> wrote:

> Brain death is not the same as brain turning into melt water.  The girl
> who survived had a brain.  Alfie didn’t.  False analogy.
>
> Molly
>
>
>
> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
> other way. -- Mark Twain
>
> > On May 3, 2018, at 12:07 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I read of a case where a child was declared brain dead, and yet the
> parents
> > did not want to take her off life support. They felt they detected some
> > signs of response.  An independent person came in and also detected signs
> > of sentience, and so continued to ask similar questions over and over in
> > order to see if the responses were a fluke or a valid response to the
> > questions. He concluded that there was some thought process going on.
> >
> > The hospital refused to allow her to remain there because they maintain
> > that she was dead. The parents managed to get another hospital to take
> her,
> > and there was a nurse there who was bullied by other staff, like, "How
> can
> > you perform procedures on that dead girl?"
> >
> > The young woman has been stabilized and moved to an apartment. Cue the
> > questions of who is paying for this, since I don't really care about that
> > stuff...
> >
> > The implications for organ harvesting are not lost on the med staff.  The
> > possibility that they are harvesting organs from a person not yet dead,
> is
> > horrifying and virtually unthinkable.
> >
> > James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> > except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:43 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There was an article in the New Yorker recently:
> >> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/05/what-does-it-mean-to-die
> >>
> >> The suggestion that physicians, men and women who cherish their own
> >> intelligence, would think a non-thinking person is not alive, has stayed
> >> with me.
> >>
> >> I also remember my shock at hearing a physician say he’d never medicate
> a
> >> patient so heavily that the patient was unable to pray. Protocols be
> >> damned, I guess.
> >> -M
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Monday, April 30, 2018, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> me that doctors never have all the answers. Also, this was a black
> child,
> >>> and the hospital did not take into account, apparently (nor did the
> legal
> >>> system) the feelings and attitudes of African-Americans toward death
> and
> >>> the dying process.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>