[Magdalen] Alfie Evans has died

[Molly Wolf]

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The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain

> On May 3, 2018, at 12:26 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How the heck do you know that? The answer of course is that you don't. I am
> now wondering if someone hacked Ms Wolf's account.
> 
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> 
>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Brain death is not the same as brain turning into melt water.  The girl
>> who survived had a brain.  Alfie didn’t.  False analogy.
>> 
>> Molly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
>> other way. -- Mark Twain
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2018, at 12:07 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I read of a case where a child was declared brain dead, and yet the
>> parents
>>> did not want to take her off life support. They felt they detected some
>>> signs of response.  An independent person came in and also detected signs
>>> of sentience, and so continued to ask similar questions over and over in
>>> order to see if the responses were a fluke or a valid response to the
>>> questions. He concluded that there was some thought process going on.
>>> 
>>> The hospital refused to allow her to remain there because they maintain
>>> that she was dead. The parents managed to get another hospital to take
>> her,
>>> and there was a nurse there who was bullied by other staff, like, "How
>> can
>>> you perform procedures on that dead girl?"
>>> 
>>> The young woman has been stabilized and moved to an apartment. Cue the
>>> questions of who is paying for this, since I don't really care about that
>>> stuff...
>>> 
>>> The implications for organ harvesting are not lost on the med staff.  The
>>> possibility that they are harvesting organs from a person not yet dead,
>> is
>>> horrifying and virtually unthinkable.
>>> 
>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:43 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There was an article in the New Yorker recently:
>>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/05/what-does-it-mean-to-die
>>>> 
>>>> The suggestion that physicians, men and women who cherish their own
>>>> intelligence, would think a non-thinking person is not alive, has stayed
>>>> with me.
>>>> 
>>>> I also remember my shock at hearing a physician say he’d never medicate
>> a
>>>> patient so heavily that the patient was unable to pray. Protocols be
>>>> damned, I guess.
>>>> -M
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, April 30, 2018, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> me that doctors never have all the answers. Also, this was a black
>> child,
>>>>> and the hospital did not take into account, apparently (nor did the
>> legal
>>>>> system) the feelings and attitudes of African-Americans toward death
>> and
>>>>> the dying process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>