[Magdalen] Salve Regina.

[Grace Cangialosi]

The Episcopal Church also uses the Apocrypha, and it shows up in the
lectionary from time to time.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:56 PM Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Orthodox bible includes what y'all call the Apocrypha. So does the
> Roman Catholic one. Maybe it's the Protestants who are heretics for
> chopping out some of the books '->
>
> I'm currently working my way through "A New New Testament" by Hal Taussig,
> which is a compilation of canonical/traditional and newly discovered books
> with commentary. Very good, if sometimes difficult, reading. I recommend
> it.
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:27 PM Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Sacred words, God given!  Thus, I suppose, reflecting divine guidance
> given
> > to those making the choices.  I dunno.
> >
> > Marion, a pilgrim
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:56 PM Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I’m wondering why a question about who decided which books to include
> in
> > > the Bible would be forbidden.
> > > (I understand why reading Spong would have been controversial!)
> > >
> > > Were you just to assume that God had handed down the Bible in one
> piece?
> > >
> > > > On Aug 21, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Marion Thompson <
> > marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This brings to mind an encounter I had back in the 90's with our then
> > > > associate priest.  I had been reading Spong's 'Rescuing the Bible
> from
> > > the
> > > > Fundamentalists' and asked in all innocence who had decided which
> books
> > > > should be included in the New Testament.  Whoa!  He went up one side
> of
> > > me
> > > > and down the other, that I should even think of asking such a
> question!
> > > > And reading Spong, too!!!!!!!!!! Some years later he had retired to
> New
> > > > England somewhere and had jumped ship and joined the ACNA.  He was a
> > mad
> > > > dog with  a really short fuse if one was the least bit critical of
> any
> > > > Republican.  I found out many eyars later than he had opposed the
> > > proposal
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:31 PM Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The "canonical New Testament" as we know it now was not accepted
> until
> > > 367
> > > >> AD, well after the time of Jesus, by which time what you are calling
> > > >> "legend" (and what we Orthodox call tradition) was pretty firmly
> > > accepted
> > > >> by many Christians. Debates over what was and is important continue
> > into
> > > >> the present day, in light of comparatively recent discovery of
> ancient
> > > >> texts (Nag Hammadi, etc.) and re-interpretation of gnostic Gospels.
> So
> > > >> there's that.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:52 AM Simon Kershaw <simon at kershaw.org.uk
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Fine -- but we should recognize that these are just legends, pious
> > > >>> legends maybe, but legendary all the same.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mary's role in the story of Jesus is clear -- she was his mother,
> who
> > > >>> gave him birth ad raised him to adulthood. She seems to have not
> > > >>> entirely agreed with his preaching and healing ministry, but she
> was
> > > >>> present at his death.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> And that's about it. Everything else is legend and later invention,
> > or
> > > >>> else was considered so unimportant that it was not recorded in the
> > > >>> canonical New Testament.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> simon
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 2019-08-19 18:52, ME Michaud wrote:
> > > >>>> There is also a tradition that she was one of the children set to
> > > weave
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> curtain of the temple (the one that was rent when Jesus died). The
> > > >>>> Gnostic
> > > >>>> gospels are full of this stuff.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> In a world where women bore and lost children throughout their
> > lives,
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> rending of the woven veil is a powerful image.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Re: Mary as described in the Book of Revelation, there are
> probably
> > a
> > > >>>> thousand images that portray her in this way, medieval,
> renaissance
> > > and
> > > >>>> even pre-raphaelite IIRC.
> > > >>>> -M
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Simon Kershaw
> > > >>> simon at kershaw.org.uk
> > > >>> St Ives, Cambridgeshire
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>


-- 
Grace Cangialosi
Ruckersville, VA

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