[Magdalen] Eucharistic prayer

[Scott Knitter]

Very interesting question, Ferdinand. The only bit of commentary I've been
able to find about this is:

'The rendering of “Do this for the remembrance of me” is preferred in order
to avoid the subjective idea of a mere souvenir.'

--Baptism and Eucharist. Ecumenical Convergence in Celebration, ed. Max
Thurian and Geoffrey Wainwright, WCC
https://archive.org/stream/wccfops2.124/wccfops2.124_djvu.txt

Perhaps "in remembrance" has been overused in US English, or more lightly
used for things like "I keep that old ash-tray in remembrance of Dad," a
momentary calling to mind.

And we tend to have a strong-willed theologian or two on any liturgical
commission who wins everyone over to a particular idea. I've heard sermons
asking us to think of "remembrance" as "re-membering" - not a repeat of the
one Sacrifice but a renewal of our membership in Christ, our being the Body
of Christ. And the purpose of our doing Eucharist is ("for") that
re-member-ance, not simply a calling to mind (which perhaps "in
remembrance" has come to mean in US English as opposed to UK? Maybe an
eyeroll or two, and I may be remem...er, recalling this heretically somehow.

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:33 PM Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I hear you, Ferdinand.
>
> Marion, a pilgrim
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:06 PM Ferdinand von Prondzynski (Emeritus) <
> f.von-prondzynski at rgu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Coming from a very catholic tradition myself, I am a strong believer in
> > the Real Presence, and won't argue too much either about
> > transubstantiation. But I can't see that this is what the US wording
> > achieves. 'Remembrance' is still 'remembrance', and the use of different
> > prepositions doesn't really alter the theological meaning, unless I'm
> > missing something. It's just that 'for the remembrance' is grammatically
> > odd. I've wondered about this for some time, but no one has ever really
> > been able to explain it to me.
> >
> > I'm sure I AM missing something...
> >
> > Ferdinand
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Magdalen <magdalen-bounces+f.von-prondzynski=
> > rgu.ac.uk at herberthouse.org> on behalf of Marion Thompson <
> > marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> > Reply to: "magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > Date: Saturday, 19 October 2019 at 21:30
> > To: cantor03--- via Magdalen <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Eucharistic prayer
> >
> > I hold to its meaning the actual presence of Christ, but I am sure many
> of
> > my fellow congregants are much more in line with the protestant memorial,
> > given their regular grumbling about things being too kaaathlick.
> >
> > Marion, a pilgrim  up here in Canada
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 3:53 PM cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> > magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been told this is another way of saying, "for the recalling of
> Me."
> > > The remembrancewords can leave the impression that the Eucharist is
> just
> > a
> > > memorial service, when infact much of the church (and apparently
> > officially
> > > TEC) adheres to the actual presenceof Christ in the Eucharist., i.e.,
> the
> > > making present of Me.
> > > David Strang.
> > > In a message dated 10/19/2019 1:54:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > f.von-prondzynski at rgu.ac.uk writes:
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me?
> > >
> >
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-- 
Scott R. Knitter
Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA