[Magdalen] Eucharistic prayer

Allan Carr allanc5 at me.com
Sun Oct 20 05:56:46 UTC 2019

Out of curiosity, I just looked up the Roman Catholic wording “Do this in memory of me” which seems straightforward enough and more to the point than what has always seemed to me the stilted and hifalutin  “in (for) remembrance of me.”
As much as Protestants of various degrees may argue over the meaning, are Roman Catholics confused similarly?

Allan Carr

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember so clearly someone preaching that re-membering is the putting back together of the members, bodies/body parts making a whole,  of those who knew Jesus and gathered together , and ultimately along with the new believers incorporated now with those who actually knew Jesus, and so on, and so on until this very day and as long as it is done. 
> The word remembering has never been the same for me since then, in many contexts
> Lynn
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com> wrote:
> Very interesting question, Ferdinand. The only bit of commentary I've been
> able to find about this is:
> 'The rendering of “Do this for the remembrance of me” is preferred in order
> to avoid the subjective idea of a mere souvenir.'
> --Baptism and Eucharist. Ecumenical Convergence in Celebration, ed. Max
> Thurian and Geoffrey Wainwright, WCC
> https://archive.org/stream/wccfops2.124/wccfops2.124_djvu.txt
> Perhaps "in remembrance" has been overused in US English, or more lightly
> used for things like "I keep that old ash-tray in remembrance of Dad," a
> momentary calling to mind.
> And we tend to have a strong-willed theologian or two on any liturgical
> commission who wins everyone over to a particular idea. I've heard sermons
> asking us to think of "remembrance" as "re-membering" - not a repeat of the
> one Sacrifice but a renewal of our membership in Christ, our being the Body
> of Christ. And the purpose of our doing Eucharist is ("for") that
> re-member-ance, not simply a calling to mind (which perhaps "in
> remembrance" has come to mean in US English as opposed to UK? Maybe an
> eyeroll or two, and I may be remem...er, recalling this heretically somehow.
>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:33 PM Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I hear you, Ferdinand.
>> Marion, a pilgrim
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:06 PM Ferdinand von Prondzynski (Emeritus) <
>>> f.von-prondzynski at rgu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Coming from a very catholic tradition myself, I am a strong believer in
>>> the Real Presence, and won't argue too much either about
>>> transubstantiation. But I can't see that this is what the US wording
>>> achieves. 'Remembrance' is still 'remembrance', and the use of different
>>> prepositions doesn't really alter the theological meaning, unless I'm
>>> missing something. It's just that 'for the remembrance' is grammatically
>>> odd. I've wondered about this for some time, but no one has ever really
>>> been able to explain it to me.
>>> I'm sure I AM missing something...
>>> Ferdinand
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Magdalen <magdalen-bounces+f.von-prondzynski=
>>> rgu.ac.uk at herberthouse.org> on behalf of Marion Thompson <
>>> marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
>>> Reply to: "magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, 19 October 2019 at 21:30
>>> To: cantor03--- via Magdalen <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Eucharistic prayer
>>> I hold to its meaning the actual presence of Christ, but I am sure many
>> of
>>> my fellow congregants are much more in line with the protestant memorial,
>>> given their regular grumbling about things being too kaaathlick.
>>> Marion, a pilgrim  up here in Canada
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 3:53 PM cantor03--- via Magdalen <
>>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>>>> I've been told this is another way of saying, "for the recalling of
>> Me."
>>>> The remembrancewords can leave the impression that the Eucharist is
>> just
>>> a
>>>> memorial service, when infact much of the church (and apparently
>>> officially
>>>> TEC) adheres to the actual presenceof Christ in the Eucharist., i.e.,
>> the
>>>> making present of Me.
>>>> David Strang.
>>>> In a message dated 10/19/2019 1:54:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> f.von-prondzynski at rgu.ac.uk writes:
>>>> Can anyone tell me?
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> Scott R. Knitter
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