[Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

[Jay Weigel]

Lynn, when this comes up, I think about Nashuva, a Jewish congregation in
the L.A. area http://nashuva.com which I would almost certainly be a part
of if I were Jewish and lived there. They have purposely chosen not to have
a permanent building location but to rent facilities from other communities
(and not always the same ones!). They have a Shabbat service on the first
Friday of each month and a social action project the third week of the
month. I have started a tradition with myself of "attending" their Kol
Nidre service on Yom Kippur via live streaming on my computer. I really
like their rabbi, Naomi Levy, who always seems to have something pertinent
to say to me, no matter where I am in my life. The way Nashuva (which, by
the way, means " we return') is doing shul may be something like how God
wants us to do Church. Just a thought.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
wrote:

> sad all around... I do think that in the long run, the return of the
> diocesan offices/camps etc are more important than the return of everything
> if a space is provided for some kind of compromise between the parties
> themselves or between judge and judgment.
>
> In many ways, these kind of legal struggles heighten, for me, the vast
> social changes afoot during the lifetime of the 'boomer' generation since
> the mid 40s or a little bit before that. They also make me think more and
> more about 'what doing church' really is... and if God is gently and not so
> much, nudging us waaaay out of our comfort zone and more into the world, to
> do God's work.
>
> Still mourning for the history and spirituality of what is bound up so
> much in all of these proceedings
>
> Lynn
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>
> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder is
> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>
> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 12:16 PM
> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>
>  This USSC decision to reject the case will mark the path forward for
>> TECSC.  And, we in new missions and worshipping communities now know that
>> we won’t have our buildings back anytime soon, if at all.  That fact will
>> be hard for some to grasp, but I do believe it is the truth.   As I have
>> thought all along, these cases will not be settled in my lifetime.
>>
>>
>>
>> Very sad, and all Episcopalians must grieve our loss, and then create a
>> new
>> faith community, looking forward, rather than hold to the stuff of the
>> past.  That is my opinion.  History will happen, and at some point in the
>> more distant future, the Lawrence church may fail and their buildings,
>> etc.
>> may have to be sold.
>>
>>
>> In these days of a dwindling TEC, not having the burden of upkeep of old
>> buildings may be a gift to fledgling congregation.  I do still want the
>> intellectual and real diocesan (not parish) property returned sooner
>> rather
>> than later.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ginga
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Charles Wohlers <
>> charles.wohlers at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I believe it means they refused to hear the case, meaning the lower court
>>> ruling stands.
>>>
>>> Chad Wohlers
>>> about to head back North from sunny Florida,
>>> Woodbury, VT USA
>>> chadwohl at satucket.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Grace Cangialosi
>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 10:18 AM
>>> To: magdalen at herberthouse.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but I don't know what this means.
>>>
>>>  On Nov 3, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cert denied. :(
>>>>
>>>>  On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK.  It's 9:30 am.  What's the story....yes, that is a ridiculous
>>>>> inquiry.
>>>>> But, members of TECSC are among those waiting on this decision. If USSC
>>>>> takes the case and iff USSC decides on behalf of TEC, this will have
>>>>> enormous impact on the South Carolina case.  I don't much care about
>>>>> parish
>>>>> real property issues, but I do indeed want our name, our symbols, our
>>>>> trust
>>>>> fund, our camp and conference center, our diocesan property ETC
>>>>> returned
>>>>> to
>>>>> Episcpalians.  Others in TECSC sincerely are invested in having the
>>>>> parish
>>>>> properties.
>>>>>
>>>>> SC awaits the decision of Circuit Court Judge Diane Goodstein in the
>>>>> lawsuit where Bp Lawrence and his breakaway church is suing TEC and
>>>>> TECSC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ginga
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I say 11/1? Tomorrow at 9:30. My guess is that it gets relisted
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> another conference. That has been their recent practice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The Supreme Court docket says the case was distributed for the 10/31
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conference. We could hear further news on 11/1. Either grant, deny or
>>>>>>> relist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>