[Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC

Tue Nov 18 22:30:28 UTC 2014

I'm not just talking religion here James...

It is my opinion that 'the west' still calls many shots that are residue 
(emphasis on the due, perhaps) of colonial thinking... rooted in power and 
control (by force or multitude)

It is like the racial consciousness training conversation that was had on 
the HoB/D last month, of anyone here happened to follow that.  People can 
think they are not biased , and they can learn to do things that are not 
biased, but unless they deeply examine their though processes and verify 
that they have changed not just swerved, they are merely  making a small 
dent.  This is the way with the Western Civilized world and the trickle down 
into our times... spirits of cooperation and benevolence do not an equal 
plain make.  We still view ourselves as being 'more ahead' and therefore 
more experienced, mature, etc... thus more able to see everyone's bigger 
picture.  That's still holding on to power, IMO.

Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck

Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the 
ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder is 
leaning against the wrong wall.”

"What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi

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From: "James Oppenheimer-Crawford" <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:18 PM
To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC

> I think the West has been very, very willing to allow other parts of the
> world to find their own way.  It was only when they found that something 
> we
> were doing was not okay in THEIR book that the trouble started.
>
> My feeling is that the other folks can continue to oppose and attack
> whatever they want; I just won't ever support any aid to any of them. 
> Fair
> is fair, after all. If our theology is too tainted for them, so is our
> money.
>
>
>
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things 
> better
> for people coming behind you, and you don’t do it, you're wasting your 
> time
> on this Earth.”  -- *Roberto Clemente
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Roger Stokes 
> <roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Archbishop Justin also knows the importance of holding the centre as you
>> strive for reconciliation.  We need to get back to the principles of the
>> Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral and recognize that the Church needs to be
>> different in different places in order to be effective in each. None of 
>> us
>> has the whole truth.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On 18/11/2014 01:11, Lynn Ronkainen wrote:
>>
>>> another quote from the article:
>>> "Justice requires that you listen to me," Tengatenga noted,
>>> characterizing U.S. attitudes. To some, especially in post-colonial 
>>> Africa,
>>> this sounded a lot like that old superiority and arrogance. "It was 
>>> viewed
>>> as political and secular values impinging on a religious discussion."
>>>
>>> And it sparked a backlash.
>>>
>>> "Why is it you want to impose your understanding of the world on us?"
>>> some Africans asked, according to Tengatenga, especially when "it's not
>>> true that everything in the West is hunky-dory."
>>>
>>> And this is where Tengatenga sits, in the midst of Anglican dissonance,
>>> listening carefully and trying to form harmonious chords from the 
>>> clashing
>>> notes.
>>>
>>> Yet for him, the dissonance is another reason for hope.
>>>
>>> "This shows the church is actually alive, and it shows who we are,"
>>> shortcomings and all, he said. "We become more of ourselves."
>>> **************
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a man of deep faith and wisdom.  This is not one of the African
>>> bishops who 'puffed up' when used by those in the 'American' Episcopal
>>> Church to advance their own ends.  This is also a man who calls out the
>>> 'western mind' (not just the U.S.) that they no longer occupy or can 
>>> claim
>>> 'center stage' on the world stage in every affair of state or religion.
>>> This strength, conviction and vision has been  a long time coming. I, 
>>> for
>>> one, am pleased to hear the clarity with which he speaks about his
>>> position, while being willing to help hold the center (the man made 
>>> center,
>>> of course), and allow diversity - which is what I love about his last
>>> sentence above.
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>>
>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>>> not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You 
>>> gave
>>> me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>>
>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder 
>>> is
>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>>>
>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 4:37 PM
>>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC
>>>
>>>  An uncomfortable truth for progressive and conservatives on the
>>>> fringes...and, he speaks the truth.  I wonder if the WWAC will survive
>>>> the
>>>> present era.
>>>>
>>>> Ginga
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  from article: +Tengatenga said a certain post-colonial arrogance in 
>>>> the
>>>>> West has run up against a newfound confidence and autonomy in Africa,
>>>>> the
>>>>> Middle East and other parts of what in religious circles is called 
>>>>> "the
>>>>> Global South," and this has exacerbated political, social and
>>>>> theological
>>>>> differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Very well said and all of article is  very good, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> L
>>>>>
>>>>> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>>>>>
>>>>> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have
>>>>> not
>>>>> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave
>>>>> me."
>>>>> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the
>>>>> ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the
>>>>> ladder is
>>>>> leaning against the wrong wall.”
>>>>>
>>>>> "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Ginga Wilder" <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 12:53 PM
>>>>> To: "Magdalen" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I am a squirt, really.  Tallest girl in my family, but shortest of my
>>>>>
>>>>>> friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another subject.  Bp Tengatenga preached at our convention.  The
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> system was so bad, those in my area could not hear anything.  An
>>>>>> interesting interview with him was published in the Charleston Post 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Courier yesterday...I just discovered it today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141116/PC16/
>>>>>> 141119443/1177/anglican-official-discusses-views-on-
>>>>>> sexuality-dissonance-among-churches
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ppsgpel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ginga
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  She's got me beat by a couple of inches too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Grace Cangialosi 
>>>>>>> <gracecan at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Well, at 5'4+", you're quite a bit taller than I am!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > On Nov 16, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Ginga Wilder 
>>>>>>> > > <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Roger,
>>>>>>> > > I am so glad you and your friends enjoyed the Benne Wafers. 
>>>>>>> > > They
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > truly
>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>> > > be addictive.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Yes, TECSC standing committee does indeed approve bishops' > >
>>>>>>> elections.
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> > > our Bishop's address he explained very clearly that TECSC and 
>>>>>>> > > her
>>>>>>> > > congregations are part of the WW Anglican Communion through The
>>>>>>> Episcopal
>>>>>>> > > Church, which is the only branch of Anglicanism recognized in 
>>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>> > > States.  ABC Justin Welby clarified in a recent radio interview 
>>>>>>> > >  >
>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> > > Lawrence's church is not part of the Anglican Communion...is not
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> > > communion with Canterbury.  This does not stop the Lawrence
>>>>>>> church > >  >
>>>>>>> > from
>>>>>>> > > fudging the language and using lots of equivocal words to try to
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> > > connection (through African Primates mostly). Simply is not 
>>>>>>> > > true.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Roger Stokes <
>>>>>>> > roger.stokes65 at btinternet.com
>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >> It does not surprise me that you have been elected to Standing
>>>>>>> > Committee,
>>>>>>> > >> a worthy honor (& note I have adopted the US spelling) in my
>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>> > >> A
>>>>>>> > qiery
>>>>>>> > >> on a legal point, is the Standing Committee recognizedc as one 
>>>>>>> > >> of
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> > >> whose approval is sort for the confirmation of the election of 
>>>>>>> > >>  >
>>>>>>> > >>  >>
>>>>>>> bishops
>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>> > >> TEC?
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On another matter, I shared the Benne wafers I received three >
>>>>>>> >> weeks
>>>>>>> ago
>>>>>>> > >> with my friends at the Rowing Club this afternoon.  (If I had >
>>>>>>> >> opened
>>>>>>> > them
>>>>>>> > >> earlier it would not have been good for me.)  The considered >
>>>>>>> >> opinion
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> > >> "can we get these over here as they are so nice?"  I concur 
>>>>>>> > >> with
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> that
>>>>>>> > >> opinion.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Roger
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>> On 16/11/2014 12:45, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> Friends,
>>>>>>> > >>> I have been out of the loop all weekend attending TECSC > >>>
>>>>>>> Convention.
>>>>>>> > Hope
>>>>>>> > >>> I
>>>>>>> > >>> am caught up now with prayer requests.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> The 224th Convention of The Episcopal Church in SC is
>>>>>>> adjourned. > >>> A
>>>>>>> > truly
>>>>>>> > >>> wonder-filled time of seeing/hearing where TECSC and her
>>>>>>> congregations
>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>> > >>> and also looking boldly to the future. Thanks be to God. If 
>>>>>>> > >>> you
>>>>>>> > >>> are
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > >>> Facebook, see photographs here:
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> https://www.facebook.com/episcopalchurchsc/photos_stream
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> I was humbled to be elected to a three year term on Standing
>>>>>>> Committee.
>>>>>>> > >>> What an honor to serve TECSC in this way.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> Blessings All.
>>>>>>> > >>> Ginga
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 