[Magdalen] Texas was / Re: EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

Tue Oct 21 15:01:12 UTC 2014

(regarding different states)

As a resident of TX, I am ever mindful that it is not easy to just 'up and 
move', when the state one lives in becomes an anathema to one's self...  It 
is near impossible to distance one's self from the governmental policies 
enshrined under our current governor of 14 years. I'm voting early (and I 
wish often <g>) this week but the possibility of changing leadership parties 
in this state, in this election cycle, is doubtful.

Those who must be obeyed keep chanting that the 'majority' of Texans did 
this or that (voted this way or that way), but in fact only 18% of our 
population voted in the last general election!  Our policies do not really 
represent the 'will' of the people, but sadly, I don't see it changing much 
either. It is my hope that as people rush here for jobs, and we do have them 
and that is happening, that they bring a different social consciousness with 
them and slowly turn things around.

My real fear is that if the current Attorney General (second in command to 
governor) is elected governor, the same old, same old will just escalate 
here - the only problem is that our state government is truly a case of the 
Emperor's new state/new clothes, and I'm not sure how many more years it can 
sustain itself without substance, and without imploding.

Wendy-pink-shoes is very probably not going to get elected, but I can hope. 
And vote.

Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck

Thomas Merton writes, “People may spend their whole lives climbing the 
ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the ladder is 
leaning against the wrong wall.”

"What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi

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From: "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:58 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth

> Um, Grace, that's the case in SC.
>
> Sometimes I think the solution for Texas is to pull all our federal funds
> and military bases, build a fence on the northern border, secede from 
> them,
> and offer unconditional amnesty to all Texans wishing to be in the real
> U.S. of A. /snark off
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The title of the case is odd from our point of view. It is TEC v. Jack 
>> Iker
>> et al. I believe the titling of the case was changed by the Iker faction 
>> in
>> the appeals process.
>> On Oct 20, 2014 11:09 PM, "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm still confused. You said the conservatives 'left, wanting to take
>> > everything' and the Supreme Court of Texas gave it back to them.
>> > So, in other words, they got to take everything?
>> >
>> > Why is the Episcopal Church suing the Episcopal Diocese? Aren't they on
>> > the same side? I would think the Episcopal Church or Diocese would be
>> suing
>> > the breakaway folks...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:00 PM, "Lynn Ronkainen" <ichthys89 at comcast.net>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The conservatives 'left' wanting to 'take everything'.... the SCourt 
>> > > of
>> > TX gave it back to them... it's still not settled as you can see.  The 
>> > TX
>> > SCourt still fancies that TX is a Republic, IMNSHO...
>> > >
>> > > Lynn
>> > >
>> > > website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>> > >
>> > > When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I 
>> > > have
>> > not a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You
>> gave
>> > me." attributed to Erma Bombeck
>> > >
>> > > Thomas Merton writes, "People may spend their whole lives climbing 
>> > > the
>> > ladder of success only to find, once they reach the top, that the 
>> > ladder
>> is
>> > leaning against the wrong wall."
>> > >
>> > > "What you seek is seeking you." - Rumi
>> > >
>> > > --------------------------------------------------
>> > > From: "Grace Cangialosi" <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:54 PM
>> > > To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
>> > > Subject: Re: [Magdalen] EC v. ED of Ft. Worth
>> > >
>> > >> So is this Episcopal Church vs. Episcopal Diocese? Which group are 
>> > >> the
>> > good guys?
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Roy Murphy <roy.murphy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The Episcopal church won in the state district court and the 
>> > >>> appeals
>> > court
>> > >>> but the TX Supreme Court ruled in favor of the former bishop of Ft.
>> > Worth.
>> > >>> TEC appealed to SCOTUS. The brief is not a bad argument. It has
>> already
>> > >>> gotten a few amicus curae briefs in support.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> SCOTUS hasn't yet decided whether to grant cert on the case. The
>> > justices
>> > >>> will discuss it on 12/31 and decide whether to hear the case, deny
>> the
>> > >>> request they hear it or hold it over for another conference.
>> > >>>> On Oct 20, 2014 12:26 PM, "Jay Weigel" <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Huh? Details, please.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roy Murphy 
>> > >>>>> <roy.murphy at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The Supreme Court docket says the case was distributed for the
>> 10/31
>> > >>>>> conference. We could hear further news on 11/1. Either grant, 
>> > >>>>> deny
>> or
>> > >>>>> relist.
>> >
>> 