[Magdalen] She's leaving church

[James Oppenheimer-Crawford]

"Faith is believing what you know ain't true."  You could take that either
way...

James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
*“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> An important realization for me many years ago in re the bible - truth
> does not have to be fact.
> Lynn
>
> My email has changed to: houstonKLR at gmail.com
>
> website: www.ichthysdesigns.com
>
> When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not
> a single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me."
> attributed to Erma Bombeck
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "James Oppenheimer-Crawford" <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 8:25 PM
> To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
> Subject: Re: [Magdalen] She's leaving church
>
>  I have found Borg's book on faith ("Convictions") to be very
>> thought-provoking.  One thing he was good at elucidating is how we believe
>> scripture without thinking that the text has historicity. It's one of the
>> strengths of TEC that we believe scripture but not in its historicity.
>>
>> He even brings up that wonderful comment made prior to telling a sacred
>> tale:
>> "I don't if it happened this way, but I know that this story is true."
>>
>> Genesis is true -- but it is not a history text, not a science tutorial.
>> Its subject matter is something entirely different and arguably more
>> important.
>>
>> The Redactor did not accidentally put the Priestly text on creation right
>> next to the J strand text on creation; he wanted to dramatize the nature
>> of
>> God by putting the two sources next to each other.  Yes, God is infinite
>> and awesome, and yet God is intimate and personal.  Focus on either of
>> those attributes and you have nothing.  Force yourself to focus as best
>> your can on both of these simultaneously, and you just might get at a
>> sense
>> of the God Barth says we cannot imagine.  I do not think anyone anytime
>> anyplace has done a better job of driving that point home, and without
>> that, it's hard to do much of anything else, so the Redactor was wise to
>> put right at the beginning.
>>
>>
>>
>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:11 PM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Um, actually, I pretty much do believe it. The timing's way off,
>>> of course, but you have to ask: what *is* a single day in God's
>>> time?
>>>
>>> Our days are defined quite parochially (sunrise/sunset, a single
>>> revolution of a small but lovely planet). God's day might be a
>>> revolution of the milky way. Or something else.
>>>
>>> As a teacher once said, "Thoughts arise. Where do they come
>>> from? They pass away. Where do they go?"
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015, Cantor03--- via Magdalen <
>>> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You're talking Creationism, and I have no problem with that.
>>> >
>>> > I doubt anyone on list believes in Genesis literally.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>