[Magdalen] whose theology is this?

[Molly Wolf]

Big fluffy comforting hugs from here.  With grits, if that helps any.

Yes, it takes a looonnnngggg time to recover.

Molly

The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -- Mark Twain

> On Mar 1, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Marion,
> I know that but DAMN.  Not fun today.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ginga
> 
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Marion Thompson <marionwhitevale at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Ginga, it will take you quite a while to heal completely, from deep inside
>> out, after the trauma of those long years.
>> 
>> Marion, a pilgrim   ... today my sail I lift ....
>> 
>>> On 3/1/2015 5:43 PM, Ginga Wilder wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Eleanor and Marion.  I am realizing that this man's teaching
>>> has
>>> retraumatized me.  I honestly thought I had moved on from the awful abuse
>>> rendered upon Episcopalians during the early 90s through 2012 in South
>>> Carolina.  Whew!  Breathing in, breathing out.
>>> 
>>> Ginga
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Eleanor Braun <eleanor.braun at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not understand the notion of only helping the neighbor we can see or
>>>> who lives near us.
>>>> 
>>>> Jesus tells the parable of the Good Samaritan in response to the lawyer's
>>>> question, who is my neighbor.  Now there are many ways to interpret the
>>>> parable, but it speaks to me in a way that says my neighbor is everyone,
>>>> even the "other", the despised ones.
>>>> 
>>>> It is unconscionable to me to suggest that those of us in the US and the
>>>> West, who have so much, should *only* be concerned about those across the
>>>> street.  When there is such a crying need for basic medical care,
>>>> education, clean water and sanitation, and basic food security, we must
>>>> care as much for our neighbor in Honduras, in Sierra Leone, and in India
>>>> as
>>>> we do for those in our zip code.
>>>> 
>>>> As for not concerning ourselves with politics, I also disagree.  In order
>>>> to satisfy the mandates of Matthew 25, we can do some of it through
>>>> charity, but we cannot make a substantive difference until we change the
>>>> structure of society so that all may enjoy God's abundance.
>>>> 
>>>> Readings:  Ezekiel 34: 2-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248538>
>>>> Isaiah
>>>> 10:1-3 <http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=292248653>
>>>> 
>>>> Eleanor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Our supply clergy this morning was from another diocese...a very liberal
>>>>> diocese....but I don't think this is liberal thought.  He taught Adult
>>>>> CE
>>>>> and preached.
>>>>> 
>>>>> His premise this morning, among other things was that 'we really cannot
>>>>> change the world.  We do not need to concern ourselves with the world
>>>>> beyond our neighborhood.  Rather than give money to support ministries
>>>> like
>>>> 
>>>>> ERD, we should simply walk across the street and meet the need of our
>>>>> neighbor.  (His example was giving money to a particular person in a 3rd
>>>>> world country, rather than my ERD example, but the point is the same.)
>>>> He
>>>> 
>>>>> went on to declare that from a theological perspective, we do not need
>>>>> to
>>>>> concern ourselves with politics...or even care about politics because we
>>>>> cannot make a difference or change the world.  It was a one way
>>>>> street...meet the need before you and ignore/don't care about anything
>>>>> beyond.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I behaved badly.  He spoke down to us as of we were the Episcopal
>>>> bumpkins
>>>> 
>>>>> in SC and I called him on it.  Now I'm having a major shame attack, even
>>>>> though more than a few people thanked me....that has just made it worse
>>>>> because my behavior was so similar to how nack in the mid 2000s, I
>>>>> confronted the the teaching of the ultra conservative priests at St.
>>>>> Paul's.  I'm not sure this makes any sense and I am still upset.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, what think the theological gurus in the pub (all of us) about this
>>>>> theology??
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ginga
>>