[Magdalen] Youth Sunday

[Lynn Ronkainen]

Jim, as an RC --> Episcopalian person (for lo these 40 years) speaking from 
my own experience personally and in churches I've attended in dio of Central 
NY  and the dio of TX, this 'bring the RC holy days/observances with you' 
are not commonplace  or are non existent in those places AND many times my 
personal experience all over the country is that it is our (TEC, dare I 
write that letter combo)  theology that is often attractive to them (RC) 
before they arrive OR after they have a growing awareness of it. And to my 
knowledge there have been no Marion 'feast days' in these dioceses, with the 
exception of TX's more Hispanic-leaning churches, which may well celebrate 
Marion feasts.
Here in my corner of Houston I am aware of many RC  church-going folks who 
do not live according to the church dictates (regarding divorce, remarriage, 
other 'states' or manners of living etc) but they keep this info to 
themselves and participate fully in the life of the church, with a kind of 
home grown theology that God loves them, and the church dictates do not 
matter.  Seeing the nascent form of this 40 years ago, I am not surprised.

a quick google found this at St. Phillips/Nashville:

Why do Episcopalians not honor the Blessed Mother, especially on Her Holy 
days of obligation? -Anonymous

6/28/2012

Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for asking about the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ!  While 
Episcopalians do not use the same terminology as the Roman Catholic church 
about Holy Days and Feast Days in the church calendar, that is, we do not 
use the term "Holy days of obligation," we do honor The Blessed Virgin in 
the church calendar.

In large Episcopal churches that schedule worship services every day of the 
week, Her holy days would be celebrated on those appropriate days on the 
calendar.  And there are more than one!  Mary's Holy Days are March 25, The 
Annunciation of Our Lord Jesus Christ to the Blessed Virgin Mary; May 31, 
The Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary; and August 15 is the Feast of 
Saint Mary the Virgin, Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.  Interestingly 
enough, The Annunciation and The Visitation are Holy Days that are 
transferable to the next Sunday if their calendar dates do not fall on 
Sundays, but Mary's Feast Day is not transferable to a Sunday celebration.

Episcopalian worship comes in slightly different flavors.  There are larger 
churches able to keep every day on the calendar with its appropriate Holy or 
Feast or Fast day observed. There are Episcopal churches who celebrate in 
the "high" tradition and perhaps venerate the Mother of Our Lord more so 
than do the churches in the "low" tradition.  But without exception, 
Episcopalians, because of our catholic roots and our orthodox tradition, 
hold the Mother of Our Lord Jesus in high esteem.

In the Book of Common Prayer, there are Collect prayers for Mary's Holy Days 
and her Feast Day:

The Annunciation   March 25
Pour your grace into our hearts, O Lord, that we who have
known the incarnation of your Son Jesus Christ, announced
by an angel to the Virgin Mary, may by his cross and passion
be brought to the glory of his resurrection; who lives and
reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, now
and for ever  Amen.


The Visitation  May 31
Father in heaven, by your grace the virgin mother of your
incarnate Son was blessed in bearing him, but still more
blessed in keeping your word: Grant us who honor the
exaltation of her lowliness to follow the example of her
devotion to your will; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who
lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for
ever and ever.  Amen.


Saint Mary the Virgin  August 15
O God, you have taken to yourself the blessed Virgin Mary,
mother of your incarnate Son: Grant that we, who have been
redeemed by his blood, may share with her the glory of your

eternal kingdom; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives

and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God,

now and for ever.  Amen.


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From: "Jim Guthrie" <jguthrie at pipeline.com>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:15 AM
To: <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Youth Sunday

> From: Lynn Ronkainen
>
>>Jim, I find it hard to believe that RC 'refugees' are driving any kind of 
>>intense Marion observances unless they are joining an already 'high' 
>>church, or perhaps very ethnically oriented (thinking Hispanic countries 
>>or Vietnamese).
>
> Having fought that war at Christ Church Bay Ridge, I beg to differ. I 
> think people who come from other churches often have a hankering to bring 
> with them the things they liked while opposing those things they don’t 
> like.
>
> You'd be hard-pressed to persuade people who left the RCC for disciplinary 
> reasons (remarriage after divorce, contraception, LGBT issues, young boys 
> etc. thinking that the **theology** of Protestantism has anything to do 
> with. I realize those of us who are or have been immersed in matters of 
> theology might have trouble understanding those whose interests are far 
> more prosaic.
>
> And you can easily prove that RCCers CAN sing simply by using the tune for 
> "Daily Daily" when belting out "Ye Who Claim the Faith of Jesus" (208-209 
> H82) or insert a **definitely** not Protestant (or TEC!) hymn like, 
> "Immaculate Mary thy praises we sing/You reign now in heaven with Jesus 
> our King."
>
> Even RCCers might blanch at the theology of Co-Redemptrix but that doesn’t 
> mean they won’t bring their favorite hymn(s) with them.
>
> First thing you know you're added Assumption and Immaculate Conception 
> and, yes, the May Crowning to the calendar. And not just parishes with A-C 
> inclinations.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Guthrie
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> Cheers,
> Jim Guthrie
>