[Magdalen] "Failing" parishes--Canada vs. USA

[Jay Weigel]

Yikes. I didn't meet either of them personally. He preached a great sermon
last Sunday though.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's Trumbore. He was the rector in Luray when I was at the two churches
> near there. His wife hated me...
>
> > On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know who's next on the roster. Fritz Trumbose (sp?) has been, but
> > he is taking a hiatus for the winter, saying he's "too old" to keep up
> the
> > schedule in the cold months. I did hear they are having a combined
> service
> > with Mt. Jackson next week but that's all I know.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Jay, do you know who the interim is at Woodstock/Mt. Jackson?
> >>
> >>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I liked the folks in Woodstock a lot. I certainly hope they find a
> priest
> >>> soon. It's awful being in limbo, as it were. My parish in TN is still
> >>> there, although they have a great interim now who, I think, is finally
> >>> getting the mess straightened out that the last full time rector left.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Oops!! I didn't read far enough!! For some reason, I thought you were
> >>>> saying who your interim was, Mike. I'm glad to hear Kathy is still in
> >> Luray.
> >>>>
> >>>> As to your question about a priest in Luray, Jay, I was referring to
> >> Scott
> >>>> Dillard, who has retired there. I think he may have supplied at the
> two
> >>>> churches I couldn't help last month; I had given them his name. He
> >> would be
> >>>> a good person for their interim, but I don't know if he'd have the
> >> energy.
> >>>> I know I don't.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the confusion...
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:16 PM, "Mahoney, W. Michael" <
> >>>>> wmmah at stoneledge.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup.  Cathy Tibbets.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good priest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike M
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I thought Luray had a female priest. At least when I looked at their
> >>>>>> website that was the impression I got. I'm so confused.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
> >> gracecan at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you know his name? What will they do this winter? I wouldn't
> mind
> >>>>>> doing
> >>>>>>> some supply over there, though there is a priest in Luray who could
> >> do
> >>>>>> it,
> >>>>>>> and he's much closer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> They do. The priest that has been doing it has taken a hiatus for
> >> the
> >>>>>>>> winter, saying he's too old to manage the roads. He preached a
> >>>>>> rip-roarer
> >>>>>>>> of a sermon on Sunday.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
> >>>> gracecan at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Jay, those parishes have been yoked for at least 30 years. They
> >> used
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> have that crazy, alternating Sunday morning schedule, too.
> >>>>>>>>> Woodstock-Mt.Jackson-Woodstock. Do they still do that?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know how long Beckford Parish in VA (Woodstock and Mt.
> >>>>>> Jackson)
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>> been yoked. There are a number of Lutheran and Methodist
> parishes
> >>>>>>>>>> hereabouts that are yoked also. It wasn't uncommon among the
> >>>>>> Methodists
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> TN either, but then, it never has been with them, where it was
> >>>> called
> >>>>>>>>>> "circuit riding" or a "circuit" and lay people picked up the
> >> slack.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Raewynne Whiteley <
> >>>>>>> raewynne1 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Re yoking parishes, my observation is that it is doomed to
> >> failure,
> >>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>> it tends to prioritize building over ministry - they keep the
> >>>>>>> buildings
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> the administrative structures, but expect a single priest to
> >> serve
> >>>> 2
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>> more parishes, and in most cases parishioners expect to get
> >>>>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>> had before for half the money.  Which is a recipe for burnout
> for
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> priest, and doesn't encourage the parish to be realistic about
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> life
> >>>>>>>>>>> and ministry.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jay Weigel <
> >> jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clarissa's prayer request led me to wonder about the varying
> >>>>>> position
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> TEC vs. the Anglican Church in Canada regarding what are
> >>>> considered
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "failing" parishes. Marion's recent experience, too, has made
> me
> >>>>>>>>> wonder.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> realize it varies from diocese to diocese, but ISTM that the
> >>>>>> Canadian
> >>>>>>>>>>>> church, at least in these instances, is behaving far more like
> >> the
> >>>>>>> RCC
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> abruptly closing these churches or pretty much setting them up
> >> to
> >>>>>>> fail
> >>>>>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the case of Marion's) rather than encouraging them along or
> >>>>>> "yoking"
> >>>>>>>>>>> them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am I seeing things correctly, or is this a misperception?
> >>
>