[Magdalen] "Failing" parishes--Canada vs. USA

Tue Nov 24 21:59:25 UTC 2015

She was referred to as the "mouth of Luray," because she knew and spread every bit of gossip there was. And he shared everything with her, so I quickly learned not to tell him anything of importance.
I think her issue with me was women's ordination, but I only learned after I left how she talked about me in the community.
If I happen to run into her now at some clergy even, she acts like I'm her long-lost buddy...<gag>

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yikes. I didn't meet either of them personally. He preached a great sermon
> last Sunday though.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> It's Trumbore. He was the rector in Luray when I was at the two churches
>> near there. His wife hated me...
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know who's next on the roster. Fritz Trumbose (sp?) has been, but
>>> he is taking a hiatus for the winter, saying he's "too old" to keep up
>> the
>>> schedule in the cold months. I did hear they are having a combined
>> service
>>> with Mt. Jackson next week but that's all I know.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Jay, do you know who the interim is at Woodstock/Mt. Jackson?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I liked the folks in Woodstock a lot. I certainly hope they find a
>> priest
>>>>> soon. It's awful being in limbo, as it were. My parish in TN is still
>>>>> there, although they have a great interim now who, I think, is finally
>>>>> getting the mess straightened out that the last full time rector left.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oops!! I didn't read far enough!! For some reason, I thought you were
>>>>>> saying who your interim was, Mike. I'm glad to hear Kathy is still in
>>>> Luray.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to your question about a priest in Luray, Jay, I was referring to
>>>> Scott
>>>>>> Dillard, who has retired there. I think he may have supplied at the
>> two
>>>>>> churches I couldn't help last month; I had given them his name. He
>>>> would be
>>>>>> a good person for their interim, but I don't know if he'd have the
>>>> energy.
>>>>>> I know I don't.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry for the confusion...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:16 PM, "Mahoney, W. Michael" <
>>>>>>> wmmah at stoneledge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yup.  Cathy Tibbets.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good priest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought Luray had a female priest. At least when I looked at their
>>>>>>>> website that was the impression I got. I'm so confused.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
>>>> gracecan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Do you know his name? What will they do this winter? I wouldn't
>> mind
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> some supply over there, though there is a priest in Luray who could
>>>> do
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>> and he's much closer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> They do. The priest that has been doing it has taken a hiatus for
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> winter, saying he's too old to manage the roads. He preached a
>>>>>>>> rip-roarer
>>>>>>>>>> of a sermon on Sunday.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
>>>>>> gracecan at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jay, those parishes have been yoked for at least 30 years. They
>>>> used
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> have that crazy, alternating Sunday morning schedule, too.
>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstock-Mt.Jackson-Woodstock. Do they still do that?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know how long Beckford Parish in VA (Woodstock and Mt.
>>>>>>>> Jackson)
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> been yoked. There are a number of Lutheran and Methodist
>> parishes
>>>>>>>>>>>> hereabouts that are yoked also. It wasn't uncommon among the
>>>>>>>> Methodists
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> TN either, but then, it never has been with them, where it was
>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>>>>>> "circuit riding" or a "circuit" and lay people picked up the
>>>> slack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Raewynne Whiteley <
>>>>>>>>> raewynne1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re yoking parishes, my observation is that it is doomed to
>>>> failure,
>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it tends to prioritize building over ministry - they keep the
>>>>>>>>> buildings
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the administrative structures, but expect a single priest to
>>>> serve
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more parishes, and in most cases parishioners expect to get
>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had before for half the money.  Which is a recipe for burnout
>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> priest, and doesn't encourage the parish to be realistic about
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ministry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jay Weigel <
>>>> jay.weigel at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clarissa's prayer request led me to wonder about the varying
>>>>>>>> position
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEC vs. the Anglican Church in Canada regarding what are
>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "failing" parishes. Marion's recent experience, too, has made
>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> wonder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realize it varies from diocese to diocese, but ISTM that the
>>>>>>>> Canadian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> church, at least in these instances, is behaving far more like
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> RCC
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abruptly closing these churches or pretty much setting them up
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the case of Marion's) rather than encouraging them along or
>>>>>>>> "yoking"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I seeing things correctly, or is this a misperception?
>> 