[Magdalen] "Failing" parishes--Canada vs. USA

[Susan Hagen]

That is my friend Shelia's parish and there are some lovely people
there.  I don't think they have a real interim yet.
Susan

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> I liked the folks in Woodstock a lot. I certainly hope they find a priest
> soon. It's awful being in limbo, as it were. My parish in TN is still
> there, although they have a great interim now who, I think, is finally
> getting the mess straightened out that the last full time rector left.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Oops!! I didn't read far enough!! For some reason, I thought you were
>> saying who your interim was, Mike. I'm glad to hear Kathy is still in Luray.
>>
>> As to your question about a priest in Luray, Jay, I was referring to Scott
>> Dillard, who has retired there. I think he may have supplied at the two
>> churches I couldn't help last month; I had given them his name. He would be
>> a good person for their interim, but I don't know if he'd have the energy.
>> I know I don't.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion...
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:16 PM, "Mahoney, W. Michael" <
>> wmmah at stoneledge.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yup.  Cathy Tibbets.
>> >
>> > Good priest.
>> >
>> > Mike M
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I thought Luray had a female priest. At least when I looked at their
>> >> website that was the impression I got. I'm so confused.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Do you know his name? What will they do this winter? I wouldn't mind
>> >> doing
>> >>> some supply over there, though there is a priest in Luray who could do
>> >> it,
>> >>> and he's much closer.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They do. The priest that has been doing it has taken a hiatus for the
>> >>>> winter, saying he's too old to manage the roads. He preached a
>> >> rip-roarer
>> >>>> of a sermon on Sunday.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Grace Cangialosi <
>> gracecan at gmail.com
>> >>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Jay, those parishes have been yoked for at least 30 years. They used
>> >> to
>> >>>>> have that crazy, alternating Sunday morning schedule, too.
>> >>>>> Woodstock-Mt.Jackson-Woodstock. Do they still do that?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I don't know how long Beckford Parish in VA (Woodstock and Mt.
>> >> Jackson)
>> >>>>> has
>> >>>>>> been yoked. There are a number of Lutheran and Methodist parishes
>> >>>>>> hereabouts that are yoked also. It wasn't uncommon among the
>> >> Methodists
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>> TN either, but then, it never has been with them, where it was
>> called
>> >>>>>> "circuit riding" or a "circuit" and lay people picked up the slack.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Raewynne Whiteley <
>> >>> raewynne1 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Re yoking parishes, my observation is that it is doomed to failure,
>> >>>>> because
>> >>>>>>> it tends to prioritize building over ministry - they keep the
>> >>> buildings
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> the administrative structures, but expect a single priest to serve
>> 2
>> >>> or
>> >>>>>>> more parishes, and in most cases parishioners expect to get
>> >> everything
>> >>>>> they
>> >>>>>>> had before for half the money.  Which is a recipe for burnout for
>> >> the
>> >>>>>>> priest, and doesn't encourage the parish to be realistic about
>> their
>> >>>>> life
>> >>>>>>> and ministry.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Clarissa's prayer request led me to wonder about the varying
>> >> position
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>> TEC vs. the Anglican Church in Canada regarding what are
>> considered
>> >>>>>>>> "failing" parishes. Marion's recent experience, too, has made me
>> >>>>> wonder.
>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> realize it varies from diocese to diocese, but ISTM that the
>> >> Canadian
>> >>>>>>>> church, at least in these instances, is behaving far more like the
>> >>> RCC
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> abruptly closing these churches or pretty much setting them up to
>> >>> fail
>> >>>>>>> (in
>> >>>>>>>> the case of Marion's) rather than encouraging them along or
>> >> "yoking"
>> >>>>>>> them.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Am I seeing things correctly, or is this a misperception?
>> >>
>>



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