[Magdalen] Worship leader

[Grace Cangialosi]

Doesn't the bishop have the final say when a rector is called?

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 6:04 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess in New York we are influenced by the large Jewish Population.
> The Jews have their Torah, which some folks believe means law. It doesn't;
> it means guideline.
> 
> The diocese says what they want us to do and we don't ignore them, but in
> many instances, we pretty much do what seems best to us.
> The diocese wants certain things to be done with layreaders, and people pay
> attention, but they don't always comply.
> The diocese has a policy that the former assistant is not to be called to
> be the rector.
> And one church. which shall remain anonymous, just went ahead and did it
> anyway. Twice.  Both made superb rectors  too.
> 
> 
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jon Egger <revegger at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Not too far from this thread, in West Missouri, ONLY priests may anoint.
>> Deacons may, but only when a priest is not available to do so, and only
>> with the consent of the Bishop or Canon to the Ordinary.
>> 
>> This is the present bishop's prerogative.  It's also contrary to countless
>> years and years of deacons being able to do so in this diocese.
>> 
>> The PiC at Old Trinity was not happy with it, as were many presbyters I
>> know.  Their reasoning ran along the line of "I busy enough as it is and
>> now I can't send my deacon out to anoint someone!"
>> 
>> 
>> Happy to be retired,
>> brud
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Ann Markle <ann.markle at aya.yale.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no more licensing in TEC for lay readers, though IMO they should
>>> be trained.  They are called Lectors now.
>>> 
>>> Ann
>>> 
>>> The Rev. Ann Markle
>>> Buffalo, NY
>>> ann.markle at aya.yale.edu
>>> blog:  www.onewildandpreciouslife.typepad.com
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 3:04 PM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There is something to the idea of licensing.  I notice often that folks
>>>> reading the lessons seem never to have ever even seen the material
>>> before,
>>>> and have no idea how one must speak in order to be understood, and
>>>> everybody thinks this is just fine, fine. I used to coordinate the
>>> readers,
>>>> and if anyone dropped the ball like that, they would be spoken with
>> about
>>>> ways to do better (after all, nobody ever decided to read badly! They
>>> just
>>>> don't know).
>>>> 
>>>> I've heard some strange, or even horrible, sermons from supposedly
>>> ordained
>>>> folks. Seldom from someone who was just invited to speak.
>>