[Magdalen] Prayers for Ascension, Chicago

[Lynn Ronkainen]

...maybe the biggest question in this dilemma is whether your church is 
growing at all...

...any and all growth can be a bit dicey always - forced growth can often be 
bad, OTOH, no growth + turmoil makes it look like kind of a closed club 
where the rules mustn't be broken,  "or else".  Sometimes being church IS 
VERY HARD.

prayers
Lynn

website: www.ichthysdesigns.com

When I stand before God at the end of my life I would hope that I have not a 
single bit of talent left and could say, "I used everything You gave me." 
attributed to Erma Bombeck
 "Either Freedom for all or stop talking about Freedom at all" from a talk 
by Richard Rohr

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From: "Scott Knitter" <scottknitter at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 5:43 PM
To: "Magdalen at herberthouse.org" <magdalen at herberthouse.org>
Subject: Re: [Magdalen] Prayers for Ascension, Chicago

> True, Jim. And among the "high" churches there are nuances:
>
> 1. Ascension: somewhat Tridentine ceremonial with Rite II plus Roman
> Gradual propers (some have said, the picture doesn't match the sound).
> Fabulous if sometimes esoteric music. Prayerful mood; sometimes warm,
> sometimes bitchy depending on whom you encounter; profound silence
> before Mass starts.
> 2. Atonement: big concelebration by a "wall-o'-priests" on big days;
> way overly loud Notre Dame-style organ; fairly modern RC ceremonial in
> the sanctuary.Upbeat mood.
> 3. St. James Cathedral: big processions, copes, liturgical kites on
> big days; super choir and organ; ceremonial adapted to the space and
> style. Liberal, welcoming.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Jim Guthrie <jguthrie at pipeline.com> 
> wrote:
>> One of the realities in an urban setting with lots of TEC parishes is the
>> need for "Product Differentiation" so one might get MP in one parish, 
>> spikey
>> high in another, Aggressively Inclusive language from the SLM in another 
>> as
>> well as emphasis on Music -- whether it's using all 720 hymns over the
>> course of a three year lectionary cycle or maybe Happy Clappy from
>> "Celebrate!" or Taize,  or maybe old fashioned Baptist Sunday School 
>> hymns
>> from LEVAS II. And each has a particular constituency, with some -- like
>> Scott's parish -- featuring a congregation that travels some distance for
>> that particular take on liturgy.
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> -- 
> Scott R. Knitter
> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA