[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

Sat Jan 16 20:31:39 UTC 2016

..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and I and a friend who they had invited last minute.  
The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church to attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for years and those under under other names (REC too). 
The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to back up her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue hurts this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses and references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace EVERYWHERE particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously, begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the light. 
Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth. 
Sigh. 
After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our God " I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share my truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become a good guest. 
Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics. 

(And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze... Federal lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the heels of yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying out that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
Life stays interesting here in the big TX
Lynn

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On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:

Spot on Jim, thank you.

There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
teaching of Scripture".

It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim that
represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better seat
at the table of the Lord.

Sally D

On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:

> "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in scripture. It
> never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You seem
> to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there any
> expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible literally.
> Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the wisdom
> therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
> "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
> honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture, then
> you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion works,
> and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite new
> to the process."
> 
> Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
> 
> They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
> 
> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> 
>> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
>> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
>> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
>> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
>> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
>> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
>> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of which
>> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
>> hearing its "clear teaching."
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk in
>>> lockstep with them.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
>>>> 
>>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Scott R. Knitter
>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> 