[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

[Jay Weigel]

There is an ACNA (looking toward Uganda) church in Harrisonburg that is vey
active and seems to be growing; they've planted a mission in a nearby town
already and remodeled their building. I participated in a holiday craft
fair they sponsored (probably will next year too) and was invited to church
there but I haven't attended. I probably will just for a peek into what
they're about, but the thought of having anything more to do with them
frankly makes me want to barf.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> ..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last
> night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and I and
> a friend who they had invited last minute.
> The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA
> church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church
> building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church to
> attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for years
> and those under under other names (REC too).
> The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county
> office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to back up
> her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue hurts
> this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her
> AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently
> intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses and
> references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace EVERYWHERE
> particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously,
> begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the
> light.
> Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth.
> Sigh.
> After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to
> explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our God "
> I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of
> history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
> History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share my
> truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become a
> good guest.
> Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics.
>
> (And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze... Federal
> lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the heels of
> yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying out
> that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the
> guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
> Life stays interesting here in the big TX
> Lynn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Spot on Jim, thank you.
>
> There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
> teaching of Scripture".
>
> It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim that
> represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better seat
> at the table of the Lord.
>
> Sally D
>
> On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in scripture.
> It
> > never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You seem
> > to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there any
> > expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible
> literally.
> > Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the wisdom
> > therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
> > "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
> > honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture,
> then
> > you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion works,
> > and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite
> new
> > to the process."
> >
> > Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
> >
> > They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
> >
> > James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> > except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
> >> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
> >> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
> >> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
> >> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
> >> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
> >> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of which
> >> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
> >> hearing its "clear teaching."
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk in
> >>> lockstep with them.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
> >>>>
> >>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Scott R. Knitter
> >>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Scott R. Knitter
> >> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >
>