[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

Sat Jan 16 21:34:33 UTC 2016

Jay, do you happen to know if their priest's name is Jeffrey (or Geoffrey)? If so, Susan Hagen and I know him. He was trying to do a church plant there for our diocese for awhile but then left TEC altogether.

> On Jan 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is an ACNA (looking toward Uganda) church in Harrisonburg that is vey
> active and seems to be growing; they've planted a mission in a nearby town
> already and remodeled their building. I participated in a holiday craft
> fair they sponsored (probably will next year too) and was invited to church
> there but I haven't attended. I probably will just for a peek into what
> they're about, but the thought of having anything more to do with them
> frankly makes me want to barf.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> ..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last
>> night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and I and
>> a friend who they had invited last minute.
>> The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA
>> church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church
>> building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church to
>> attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for years
>> and those under under other names (REC too).
>> The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county
>> office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to back up
>> her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue hurts
>> this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her
>> AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently
>> intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses and
>> references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace EVERYWHERE
>> particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously,
>> begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the
>> light.
>> Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth.
>> Sigh.
>> After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to
>> explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our God "
>> I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of
>> history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
>> History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share my
>> truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become a
>> good guest.
>> Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics.
>> 
>> (And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze... Federal
>> lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the heels of
>> yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying out
>> that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the
>> guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
>> Life stays interesting here in the big TX
>> Lynn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Spot on Jim, thank you.
>> 
>> There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
>> teaching of Scripture".
>> 
>> It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim that
>> represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better seat
>> at the table of the Lord.
>> 
>> Sally D
>> 
>> On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in scripture.
>> It
>>> never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You seem
>>> to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there any
>>> expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible
>> literally.
>>> Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the wisdom
>>> therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
>>> "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
>>> honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture,
>> then
>>> you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion works,
>>> and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite
>> new
>>> to the process."
>>> 
>>> Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
>>> 
>>> They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
>>> 
>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
>>>> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
>>>> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
>>>> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
>>>> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
>>>> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
>>>> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of which
>>>> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
>>>> hearing its "clear teaching."
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk in
>>>>> lockstep with them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>> 