[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

[Jay Weigel]

No, it's Aubrey Spears. Someone named Dan Claire helped start the church in
2010 and Spears moved to the area in October of that year. He's a former
Baptist. I don't trust the outfit as far as I can throw it, but the members
I met were nice. You can check out their website at theincarnation.org

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jay, do you happen to know if their priest's name is Jeffrey (or
> Geoffrey)? If so, Susan Hagen and I know him. He was trying to do a church
> plant there for our diocese for awhile but then left TEC altogether.
>
> > On Jan 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is an ACNA (looking toward Uganda) church in Harrisonburg that is
> vey
> > active and seems to be growing; they've planted a mission in a nearby
> town
> > already and remodeled their building. I participated in a holiday craft
> > fair they sponsored (probably will next year too) and was invited to
> church
> > there but I haven't attended. I probably will just for a peek into what
> > they're about, but the thought of having anything more to do with them
> > frankly makes me want to barf.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> ..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last
> >> night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and I
> and
> >> a friend who they had invited last minute.
> >> The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA
> >> church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church
> >> building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church
> to
> >> attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for
> years
> >> and those under under other names (REC too).
> >> The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county
> >> office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to
> back up
> >> her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue
> hurts
> >> this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her
> >> AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently
> >> intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses
> and
> >> references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace
> EVERYWHERE
> >> particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously,
> >> begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the
> >> light.
> >> Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth.
> >> Sigh.
> >> After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to
> >> explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our
> God "
> >> I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of
> >> history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
> >> History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share
> my
> >> truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become a
> >> good guest.
> >> Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics.
> >>
> >> (And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze... Federal
> >> lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the heels
> of
> >> yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying
> out
> >> that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the
> >> guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
> >> Life stays interesting here in the big TX
> >> Lynn
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Spot on Jim, thank you.
> >>
> >> There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
> >> teaching of Scripture".
> >>
> >> It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim
> that
> >> represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better
> seat
> >> at the table of the Lord.
> >>
> >> Sally D
> >>
> >> On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> >> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in scripture.
> >> It
> >>> never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You
> seem
> >>> to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there any
> >>> expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible
> >> literally.
> >>> Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the
> wisdom
> >>> therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
> >>> "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
> >>> honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture,
> >> then
> >>> you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion
> works,
> >>> and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite
> >> new
> >>> to the process."
> >>>
> >>> Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
> >>>
> >>> They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
> >>>
> >>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> >>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> preserved,
> >>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:;>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
> >>>> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
> >>>> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
> >>>> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
> >>>> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
> >>>> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
> >>>> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of which
> >>>> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
> >>>> hearing its "clear teaching."
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk
> in
> >>>>> lockstep with them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <
> scottknitter at gmail.com
> >>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
> >>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
> >>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Scott R. Knitter
> >>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>
>