[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

[Susan Hagen]

Grace,
This is another group altogether.  They are affiliated with the
Rwandan church, not, I think, part of the ACNA/Truro/Falls Church
crowd.  I've heard that their theology is very reformed and they are
as much anti-woman as anti-gay.
Susan

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jay, do you happen to know if their priest's name is Jeffrey (or Geoffrey)? If so, Susan Hagen and I know him. He was trying to do a church plant there for our diocese for awhile but then left TEC altogether.
>
>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is an ACNA (looking toward Uganda) church in Harrisonburg that is vey
>> active and seems to be growing; they've planted a mission in a nearby town
>> already and remodeled their building. I participated in a holiday craft
>> fair they sponsored (probably will next year too) and was invited to church
>> there but I haven't attended. I probably will just for a peek into what
>> they're about, but the thought of having anything more to do with them
>> frankly makes me want to barf.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last
>>> night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and I and
>>> a friend who they had invited last minute.
>>> The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA
>>> church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church
>>> building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church to
>>> attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for years
>>> and those under under other names (REC too).
>>> The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county
>>> office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to back up
>>> her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue hurts
>>> this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her
>>> AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently
>>> intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses and
>>> references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace EVERYWHERE
>>> particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously,
>>> begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the
>>> light.
>>> Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth.
>>> Sigh.
>>> After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to
>>> explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our God "
>>> I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of
>>> history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
>>> History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share my
>>> truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become a
>>> good guest.
>>> Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics.
>>>
>>> (And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze... Federal
>>> lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the heels of
>>> yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying out
>>> that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the
>>> guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
>>> Life stays interesting here in the big TX
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Spot on Jim, thank you.
>>>
>>> There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
>>> teaching of Scripture".
>>>
>>> It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim that
>>> represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better seat
>>> at the table of the Lord.
>>>
>>> Sally D
>>>
>>> On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
>>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in scripture.
>>> It
>>>> never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You seem
>>>> to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there any
>>>> expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible
>>> literally.
>>>> Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the wisdom
>>>> therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
>>>> "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
>>>> honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture,
>>> then
>>>> you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion works,
>>>> and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite
>>> new
>>>> to the process."
>>>>
>>>> Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
>>>>
>>>> They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
>>>>
>>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
>>>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
>>>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
>>>>> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
>>>>> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
>>>>> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
>>>>> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
>>>>> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
>>>>> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of which
>>>>> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
>>>>> hearing its "clear teaching."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk in
>>>>>> lockstep with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <scottknitter at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
>>>



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