[Magdalen] TEC suspended from Anglican Communion

Sun Jan 17 15:30:04 UTC 2016

https://www.facebook.com/mark.clavier/posts/10153498384201731

On Sunday, January 17, 2016, Susan Hagen <susanvhagen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Grace,
> This is another group altogether.  They are affiliated with the
> Rwandan church, not, I think, part of the ACNA/Truro/Falls Church
> crowd.  I've heard that their theology is very reformed and they are
> as much anti-woman as anti-gay.
> Susan
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Grace Cangialosi <gracecan at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Jay, do you happen to know if their priest's name is Jeffrey (or
> Geoffrey)? If so, Susan Hagen and I know him. He was trying to do a church
> plant there for our diocese for awhile but then left TEC altogether.
> >
> >> On Jan 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is an ACNA (looking toward Uganda) church in Harrisonburg that is
> vey
> >> active and seems to be growing; they've planted a mission in a nearby
> town
> >> already and remodeled their building. I participated in a holiday craft
> >> fair they sponsored (probably will next year too) and was invited to
> church
> >> there but I haven't attended. I probably will just for a peek into what
> >> they're about, but the thought of having anything more to do with them
> >> frankly makes me want to barf.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Lynn Ronkainen <houstonklr at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ..clear teaching of scripture... At a small dinner gathering of 5 last
> >>> night -the hosts a couple who are friends and the guests (my) Jim and
> I and
> >>> a friend who they had invited last minute.
> >>> The friend and my friends have left TEC some time ago for a local AMIA
> >>> church that had the big bucks to buy a local indie non-denom church
> >>> building (vacated for a larger space) which, IMO, allowed their church
> to
> >>> attract other AMIERs who were meeting in obscure temporary digs for
> years
> >>> and those under under other names (REC too).
> >>> The other guest is a campaign manager for a local candidate for county
> >>> office. She is a zealous bible believer with all manner of proof to
> back up
> >>> her ideals. Anxious to rep a bible believing candidate... My tongue
> hurts
> >>> this morning even though I tried to respond sparingly to some of her
> >>> AMAZING conclusions about the state of world and country and apparently
> >>> intent on saving me from the flames of hell with verbatim bible verses
> and
> >>> references to "reliable" historical reading on the Muslim menace
> EVERYWHERE
> >>> particularly in the US. By the end of the evening she was, seriously,
> >>> begging for me to let her provide all the info I would need to see the
> >>> light.
> >>> Even real history wasn't a deterrent to her truth.
> >>> Sigh.
> >>> After a bit of exegesis on the error of anyone who tried to
> >>> explain/believe/encourage that Allah is in any way "related" to "our
> God "
> >>> I must admit that I let her know what I believed and shared a bit of
> >>> history of the first 6 centuries she knew she needed to save me...
> >>> History was trumped by bible verse and citation... I didn't dare share
> my
> >>> truth does not always mean fact.   I did settle down quickly to become
> a
> >>> good guest.
> >>> Quite an inside peek into Teaparty politics.
> >>>
> >>> (And then continued news this morning about our boy Ted Cruze...
> Federal
> >>> lawsuit that naturalized does not equal natural born. That on the
> heels of
> >>> yesterday's Washington Post article by a constitutional lawyer laying
> out
> >>> that the intention of the ruling on this most probably not equate the
> >>> guaranteed citizenship with the actual meaning of "natural born".
> >>> Life stays interesting here in the big TX
> >>> Lynn
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 16, 2016, at 2:00 AM, Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Spot on Jim, thank you.
> >>>
> >>> There are few phrases that wave a red flag for me, more than "the clear
> >>> teaching of Scripture".
> >>>
> >>> It is invariably followed by some statement of position or truth claim
> that
> >>> represents a bid for more earthly power and influence - for a better
> seat
> >>> at the table of the Lord.
> >>>
> >>> Sally D
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, 15 January 2016, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> >>> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "No. You are mistaken, Bishops. The teaching is not clear in
> scripture.
> >>> It
> >>>> never was. It only seems clear if one reads the Bible literally. You
> seem
> >>>> to forget that not everyone reads the Bible literally, nor is there
> any
> >>>> expectation nor any requirement that a Christian read the Bible
> >>> literally.
> >>>> Reading the scriptures in terms of symbol and metaphor allows the
> wisdom
> >>>> therein to speak much more fully to all of us, here and now.
> >>>> "You are well within your rights to opine that scripture says what you
> >>>> honestly believe it says, but if we respect your reading of scripture,
> >>> then
> >>>> you must also respect ours, for this is how the Anglican Communion
> works,
> >>>> and has worked for centuries, even though you may some of you be quite
> >>> new
> >>>> to the process."
> >>>>
> >>>> Now where do I send it?  And would anyone give a damn?
> >>>>
> >>>> They've let the children play in church again, it appears....
> >>>>
> >>>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> >>>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> preserved,
> >>>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Scott Knitter <
> scottknitter at gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What I don't get is why the claims of "the clear teaching of
> >>>>> Scripture" aren't challenged more, based on what the texts actually
> >>>>> say and to whom. And what I really don't get is when the response is
> >>>>> something along the lines of "Well, we don't idolize Scripture
> >>>>> anyway," or "There's more than Scripture." When what could be said is
> >>>>> that we regard Scripture highly enough to read what it says and what
> >>>>> message is intended, and to whom the message is directed--all of
> which
> >>>>> is the opposite of twisting Scripture to meet our needs, or not
> >>>>> hearing its "clear teaching."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>> They don't want to "walk together". They want everyone else to walk
> in
> >>>>>> lockstep with them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Scott Knitter <
> scottknitter at gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net
> <javascript:;>
> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Presumably the Anglican Church of Canada will follow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The GAFCON folks are upset that Canada wasn't sanctioned too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/007169.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Scott R. Knitter
> >>>>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Scott R. Knitter
> >>>>> Edgewater, Chicago, Illinois USA
> >>>
>
>
>
> --
> The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among
> you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the
> land of Egypt.
> Leviticus 19:34
>

-- 
The Rev. Tony Clavier
Vicar: St. Thomas' Episcopal Church, Glen Carbon IL
and St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church, Granite City IL