[Magdalen] Theological and Liturgical Tidbits - St. John's Abbey.

[Grace Cangialosi]

Well, aside from the fact that they have closed communion and don’t ordain women...!
If I were going to do that, I’d be RC.

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Argh. Part of why I find myself more and more going back towards the
> Orthodox. Yes, we argue among ourselves, but geez.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:32 AM, cantor03--- via Magdalen <
> magdalen at herberthouse.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> TThe monthly Benedictine, "Worship,"periodical came late last week, and
>> the issue has a number of subjects related to the 500th Anniversary
>> of the Protestant (Lutheran) Reformation.
>> 
>> (1)  There is a discussion of the continuing difficulties Lutherans
>> have now as well as during Luther's time, with the theology of the
>> "Sacrifice" of the Eucharist.  There is the ongoing horror Lutherans
>> have with any mention of sacrifice in the Eucharist because this term
>> 
>> makes it seem to Lutherans that there is a re-sacrifice during the RC Mass,
>> and the concept of the one, eternal Sacrifice on Calvary is lost.  The
>> RC (and Anglocathlic) concept of the Eucharist as not being constrained
>> by time, and that the Eucharist of each Mass IS Calvary is not
>> comprehended.
>> Lutheran suggestion:  Catholics might avoid using RC Eucharistic Prayer 1,
>> the old Gregorian Canon, which is loaded with references to sacrifice.
>> This would help ecumenism between Lutherans and Roman Catholics, the
>> article says.
>> 
>> 2.  A discussion of the Kyrie, especially as it evolved during the Baroque
>> (JS Bach) and later periods into a penitential acclamation.  The article
>> confirms what
>> I have known for some time that the Kyries were from the East, and were
>> originally part of a much more extended litany primarily aimed at praying
>> for someone or something.  Thus, instead of Lord/Christ have mercy
>> (upon us), the meaning is closer to Lord/Christ hear our prayer.
>> 
>> 
>> David S.
>>