[Magdalen] Our "sh*thole" president.

[Roger Stokes]

On 13/01/2018 15:57, Joseph Cirou wrote:
> For a royal lover I am still confused when it comes to Scandinavia. I 
> know King Carl Gustav is the King of Sweden. Is Queen Margarethe the 
> Queen of Denmark or Norway. Is she the daughter of King Olav and is 
> her son the Crown Prince Haakon (after the first constitution king of 
> Norway crowned and instituted in 1907. The citizen ship papers were 
> inaccurate in 1865 because at the time Norway and Sweden were 
> Constitutionally united. I don't know whether the numbers for the 2 
> counties were the same as in James II of England and VII of Scotland. 
> If these things are so (si quam ita sunt as we used to say in our 
> LATIN logic classes) Who is the sovereign of Denmark. There are more 
> than 3 crown princes and princesses of these lands so I am confused. I 
> supposed if they had subtitles on the Scandinavian youtube channels 
> where I watch royal events I'd know better.

Because it was a new monarchy then the counting would have started 
afresh in Norway. The difference with both James in England and Scotland 
is that from 1603 to 1707 the two nations each had their own independent 
government but the crowns had been united. Thus when Elizabeth died and 
the English crown was offered to James VI of Scotland it was added to 
his titles. South of the border he would be simply "King James" (there 
having been no earlier monarch of that name in England) while north of 
the border he continued to be King James VI. Obviously the same applied 
to his son, King James II and VII. When the United Kingdom of Great 
Britain was established by having a single Parliament the English 
numbering continued.

You see this with the Kings William. When William of Orange assumed the 
throne with his wife Mary he was William II in Scotland and William III 
in England as the nations had not yet been united. In the next century 
when George IV died and was succeeded by his younger brother the new 
monarch was titled William IV so there was no William III in Scotland. 
Assuming the current Prince of Wales does not predecease his mother (and 
there's no reason to think he will) and keeps the name Charles he will 
be Charles III. The Scots would then not have had a Charles I or II, 
which might please those who don't care for the lavish lifestyle and 
autocratic manner of the two kings.

Giving the UK monarch her full title would be rather cumbersome to say 
as it includes reference to her other realms and dominions beyond the 
seas as well as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Roger