[Magdalen] SC property case

Tue Jun 12 15:59:23 UTC 2018

Grace will know more than I but my impression is that we in the Diocese of
Virginia have seen improved relations with the departing congregations.

I would like to think so.

Mike M

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:45 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Roger, I agree most of these folks will continue with the 'Continuing
> Church' movement.  Many have been inflamed for years by their leaders and
> fed untruths.  I pray they will see the truth sometime and follow the
> light.  My sense is that many of them will choose another denomination, if
> they leave their Lawrence parish.
>
> Ginga
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:41 AM Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Sally.  One of my favorite hymn with lyrics for our
> > circumstance today.
> >
> > I know the odds that this schism may not be healed.  And, each community
> > is unique unto itself.  Summerville, even with an incorporated population
> > over 50,000 and another 50,000 in areas around town proper, has a small
> > town quality.  When I grew up in Summerville 65-70 years ago, there were
> > 3000 citizens - and everyone knew everyone.  We have grown, to say the
> > least.  Our newcomers through the years are retirees, young families
> coming
> > for jobs in surrounding industry, development companies, medical
> > professionals and staff, etc.  We are known as a politically conservative
> > community, but as newcomers enter our area, folks who lean leftward
> > politically also settle here.
> >
> > The Episcopal Church of the Good Shepherd has been the beneficiary of
> > Summerville's newcomer population.  The Episcopal Church has grown more
> and
> > more progressive theologically in the past 50+ years.  Newcomers seeking
> > that kind of church, particularly an Episcopal Church have joined our
> > congregation.  This trend will continue.  And, yes, those who are members
> > of Lawrence churches will need to work through their sense of loss and
> stay
> > with their friends.  I do believe in generations to come, some family
> > members of that church will return.  We give that to God.
> >
> > Our bishop and diocesan staff has some good plans in place to reach out
> > personally to the Lawrence congregations.    Of course, we wish everyone
> > would just come back, but that is not realistic.  We will get some folks
> > back, as they choose again to stay with the buildings. It is important
> that
> > our personal judgment of their decisions be kept quietly and at a
> minimum.
> > We give that to God also.
> >
> > We pray that the Episcopal Church in SC will thrive again.  I will give
> my
> > energy to that, as I have all of my life.
> >
> > Ginga
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:02 AM Sally Davies <sally.davies at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dearest Ginga
> >>
> >> Thanksgivings and praise. It has been such a long road and you have
> >> played your part! As have we in the listening, supporting and praying
> these
> >> many years.
> >>
> >> History says that such schisms cannot be repaired, but the Lord of Peace
> >> and Lord of Years is at work!
> >>
> >>
> >> Crown Him the Lord of peace,
> >>   Whose power a scepter sways
> >> From pole to pole, that wars may cease,
> >>   And all be prayer and praise.
> >>   His reign shall know no end,
> >>   And round His pierced feet
> >> Fair flowers of glory now extend
> >>   Their fragrance ever sweet.
> >>
> >> And in more contemporary mode:
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/iZvZWUZFevI
> >>
> >> Indeed, honesty comes with a price, as always in this world. May you and
> >> your church family enter a season of harvest joy my sister!
> >>
> >> Sally D
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On 12 Jun 2018, at 01:29, Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, dear friends of this journey!
> >> >
> >> > So, wanna know what Lawrence, et al are doing?  Here is Ron Caldwell,
> >> our
> >> > historian and clarifier through these years, says:
> >> >
> >>
> https://episcopalschismsc.blogspot.com/2018/06/defiance-many-of-you-readers-have.html
> >> >
> >> > I do feel a lot of compassion for those in the pews who were so badly
> >> led
> >> > astray.
> >> > Ginga
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:46 PM Rick Mashburn <
> ricklmashburn at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Cheers rising from Notting Hill, London!
> >> >>
> >> >> Peace, Rick
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 10:01 Ginga Wilder <gingawilder at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The Episcopal Church in SC
> >> >>>
> >> >>> *U.S. Supreme Court Denies Certiorari,will not hear church property
> >> case*
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://mailchi.mp/episcopalchurchsc/supremecourtdecisionjune2018?e=bfa235e9ac
> >> >>>
> >> >>> +++
> >> >>> Episcopalians in SC no longer stand at a fork in the road, waiting
> to
> >> >> hear
> >> >>> what is coming next.  The road ahead is clear, after going on 6
> years
> >> of
> >> >>> schism.  We can move forward as The Episcopal Church.  It is meet
> and
> >> >> right
> >> >>> that we are allowed to follow this road, but it promises to be
> arduous
> >> >>> along the way.  No one is gloating over the supreme court decision
> >> not to
> >> >>> grant cert, which would simply have extended the time and increase
> the
> >> >>> unnecessary expenditure of money on for lawyers fees, etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Today is the most important day in the schism thus far.  Bp Lawrence
> >> has
> >> >>> called a meeting of his clergy for Thursday.  My guess is that it
> will
> >> >> take
> >> >>> time for them to inwardly digest what this decision means for them.
> >> Let
> >> >> us
> >> >>> pray for the people in the Lawrence pews, as well as the leadership
> >> and
> >> >>> people of The Episcopal Church in SC.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thank you to each of you who has listened to my anxious posting over
> >> the
> >> >>> years...actually since 1997, as I anticipated what what to come.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Blessings,
> >> >>> Ginga Wilder
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>