[Magdalen] Alfie Evans has died

[Jay Weigel]

Pubkeeper..please close or delete this thread. i did not mean to cause such
controversy or cause two such respected members to leave. Our numbers are
few enough as it is.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:38 AM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net> wrote:

> Please unsubscribe me from the Magdalen list.
>
> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no
> other way. -- Mark Twain
>
> > On May 3, 2018, at 12:26 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How the heck do you know that? The answer of course is that you don't. I
> am
> > now wondering if someone hacked Ms Wolf's account.
> >
> > James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> > *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved,
> > except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >
> >> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Molly Wolf <lupa at kos.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Brain death is not the same as brain turning into melt water.  The girl
> >> who survived had a brain.  Alfie didn’t.  False analogy.
> >>
> >> Molly
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in
> no
> >> other way. -- Mark Twain
> >>
> >>> On May 3, 2018, at 12:07 AM, James Oppenheimer-Crawford <
> >> oppenheimerjw at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I read of a case where a child was declared brain dead, and yet the
> >> parents
> >>> did not want to take her off life support. They felt they detected some
> >>> signs of response.  An independent person came in and also detected
> signs
> >>> of sentience, and so continued to ask similar questions over and over
> in
> >>> order to see if the responses were a fluke or a valid response to the
> >>> questions. He concluded that there was some thought process going on.
> >>>
> >>> The hospital refused to allow her to remain there because they maintain
> >>> that she was dead. The parents managed to get another hospital to take
> >> her,
> >>> and there was a nurse there who was bullied by other staff, like, "How
> >> can
> >>> you perform procedures on that dead girl?"
> >>>
> >>> The young woman has been stabilized and moved to an apartment. Cue the
> >>> questions of who is paying for this, since I don't really care about
> that
> >>> stuff...
> >>>
> >>> The implications for organ harvesting are not lost on the med staff.
> The
> >>> possibility that they are harvesting organs from a person not yet dead,
> >> is
> >>> horrifying and virtually unthinkable.
> >>>
> >>> James W. Oppenheimer-Crawford
> >>> *“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
> preserved,
> >>> except in memory. LLAP**”  -- *Leonard Nimoy
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:43 AM, ME Michaud <michaudme at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> There was an article in the New Yorker recently:
> >>>> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/05/what-does-
> it-mean-to-die
> >>>>
> >>>> The suggestion that physicians, men and women who cherish their own
> >>>> intelligence, would think a non-thinking person is not alive, has
> stayed
> >>>> with me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also remember my shock at hearing a physician say he’d never
> medicate
> >> a
> >>>> patient so heavily that the patient was unable to pray. Protocols be
> >>>> damned, I guess.
> >>>> -M
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Monday, April 30, 2018, Jay Weigel <jay.weigel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> me that doctors never have all the answers. Also, this was a black
> >> child,
> >>>>> and the hospital did not take into account, apparently (nor did the
> >> legal
> >>>>> system) the feelings and attitudes of African-Americans toward death
> >> and
> >>>>> the dying process.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>