[Magdalen] TEC talk

Charles Wohlers chadwohl at satucket.com
Mon Oct 21 16:06:20 UTC 2019

There was indeed a separate Church of Ireland prior to 1800, but it was 
very different in character from the Scottish Episcopal Church. The 
Church of Ire;land was established (and it was the Established Church) 
in Ireland by the English, and it was definitely the church of the 
establishment in Ireland. No doubt anyone consecrated a bishop in that 
Church would have to swear fealty to the British Crown. The Scottish 
Episcopal Church, OTOH, was quite different. It was largely Jacobite (i. 
e., opposed to the English) and was most emphatically not the church of 
the establishment. In fact, in 1784 it was only slowly emerging from 
decades of severe restrictions by the English. I would guess that the 
bishops of the Scottish Episcopal Church were only too happy to tweak 
the nose of the English by consecrating Samuel Seabury.

Chad Wohlers
chadwohl at satucket.com
Woodbury, VT   USA

On 21.10.2019 10:57, Simon Kershaw wrote:
> I'm not sure you are quite right about that, Ferdinand :-)
> The Church of Ireland was indeed disestablished and disendowed under
> the terms of the Irish Church Act 1869, and which came into effect on
> 1 January 1871).
> And prior to that, there had been a United Church of England and 
> Ireland.
> But that United Church had been created by Article V of the Acts of
> Union 1800. Before that the Church of England and the Church of
> Ireland had been separate sister churches.
> So when Samuel Seabury was consecrated in 1784, and the first General
> Convention of the PECUSA took place in 1785, it became the fourth
> national church of what is now the Anglican Communion, as it was only
> some 11 or 12 years later that the England and Ireland were united as
> a single church.
> simon
> On 2019-10-21 15:29, Ferdinand von Prondzynski (Emeritus) wrote:
>> Simon wrote:
>> > Actually it was the fourth entity, after the Church of England, the
>>> Church of Ireland and the Scottish Episcopal Church.
>> Hm, one argues with Simon at one's peril, but the Church of Ireland as
>> a separate church only came into being with disestablishment in 1869.
>> So when Sam Seabury was consecrated Scotland created the third
>> entity... The Church of Ireland in due course was the fourth.
>> The Scottish Church cannot claim to have invented the term 'Anglican',
>> but nomenclature aside the Communion began at its instigation.

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